ZipRecruiter, Inc. (NYSE:ZIP) Q4 2022 Earnings Call Transcript

ZipRecruiter, Inc. (NYSE:ZIP) Q4 2022 Earnings Call Transcript February 21, 2023

Operator: Ladies and gentlemen, good afternoon. My name is Abbie, and I will be your conference operator today. At this time, I would like to welcome everyone to the ZipRecruiter Incorporated Fourth Quarter 2022 Earnings Conference Call. Today’s conference is being recorded and all lines have been placed on mute to prevent any background noise. After the speakers’ remarks there will be a question-and-answer session. . Thank you. And I will now turn the conference over to Drew Haroldson, Investor Relations. You may begin.

Drew Haroldson: Thank you, operator, and good afternoon. Thank you for joining us in our earnings conference call, during which we will discuss ZipRecruiter’s performance for the quarter and the year ended December 31, 2022, and guidance for the first quarter and full year 2023. Joining me on the call today are Ian Siegel, Co-Founder and CEO; David Travers, President; and Tim Yarbrough, CFO. Before we begin, please be reminded that forward-looking statements made today are subject to risks and uncertainties related to future events and/or the future financial performance of ZipRecruiter. Actual results could differ materially from those anticipated in these forward-looking statements. A discussion of some of the risk factors that could cause actual results to differ materially from any forward-looking statements can be found in ZipRecruiter’s annual report on Form 10-K for the year ended December 31, 2022, which will be available on our investor website and the SEC’s website.

The forward-looking statements in this conference call are based on the current expectations as of today, and ZipRecruiter assumes no obligation to update or revise them, whether as a result of new developments or otherwise. In addition, during today’s call, we will discuss non-GAAP financial measures. These non-GAAP financial measures should be considered in addition to, not as a substitute for or in isolation from GAAP results. Reconciliations of the non-GAAP metrics to the nearest GAAP metrics are included in ZipRecruiter’s shareholder letter and our Form 10-K. And now I will turn the call over to Ian.

Ian Siegel: Thank you, Drew, and good afternoon to everyone joining us today. 2022 was another strong year for ZipRecruiter. Revenue grew 22% in 2022 to $905 million. Notably, our 2022 revenue marks the 28% compounded annual growth rate from 2019. We delivered 20% adjusted EBITDA margin, up from 15% in 2021. And while we expect headwinds on top-line revenue, our guidance calls for a strong 24% EBITDA margins in 2023. ZipRecruiter’s results demonstrate the resiliency of our business model in volatile macro environments, and we have achieved strong profitability while leaning into long-term strategic investments in both product and matching technology. We made great strides towards building the world’s best jobs marketplace, bringing both employers and job seekers together with leading-edge matching technology.

As you can see in our shareholder letter, our employer cohorts remain strong with each annual cohort showing increasing revenue per paid employer this year. We also served 42 million active job seekers in 2022, a 20% increase from 2021. Despite the current macroeconomic backdrop, I remain steady in my conviction that we will continue to succeed over the long-term. First, our flexible operating expense profile gives us the ability to rapidly adjust sales and marketing investments up or down. That lets us take advantage of unique opportunities as they arrive or in conditions like we’ve observed in 2023 so far, conserve capital when the ROI is not there. While forecasting top-line revenue for 2023 is challenging, the levers we have to make driving adjusted EBITDA far more predictable.

Our track record of strong profitability paired with the $570 million of cash on hand puts us in a position of financial strength. Second, feedback from job seekers on our own data shows that our investment in, Phil, our AI personal recruiters for job seekers is working. Phil has proven to be an engagement amplifier, driving job seekers activity on ZipRecruiter to record levels. As an example of this phenomenon from the last quarter, Phil now lets job seekers preview how they appear to employers; 60% of job seekers who see this preview choose to edit and improve their presentation. This high level of interaction with the new feature is what Phil brings to the table. Phil puts a human face on navigating the job search process, and you can expect a persistent drumbeat of new capabilities for Phil over the coming quarters.

Third, our move upmarket into enterprise continues to succeed. Performance-based revenue grew 48% year-over-year and accounted for 24% of total revenue in the most recent quarter. That means our marketplace is increasingly balanced with opportunities from companies of all sizes. We continue to believe that over the long-term, we will approach a 50:50 split between SMB and enterprise revenue. Fourth, our aided brand awareness is now 80% on both the employer and the job seeker side of our marketplace. The significant investments we’ve made in job seeker marketing over the last 2 years have paid off. We believe this balanced awareness across job seekers and employers alike positions us for success in both robust and challenging labor markets. Fifth and finally, we believe that we are at the beginning of a generational shift in how technology enables job seekers and employers to come together.

Our key strategies of improving Phil, leveraging modern algorithmic matching and building the best user experiences remain fully staffed and funded. Our level of investment in technology will increase in 2023. You will see us at the forefront of that generational shift. Now I’ll turn it over to Dave to talk through some of our progress against the 3 pillars of our marketplace strategy.

David Travers: Thank you, Ian. Looking back at 2022, we made significant progress against the three key pillars of our strategy. We are in the early innings of capitalizing on the massive market opportunity and fundamentally changing how employers and job seekers interact. Our investments reflect that. I’m excited to share some highlights with you. We will start with our first strategic pillar, which is increasing the number of employers and revenue per paid employer in our marketplace. While 2022 was a historically tight labor market, in June, we began to see employers reduce the number of jobs posted. This dynamic continued throughout the balance of the year and has persisted so far into 2023. We finished 2022 with 108,000 quarterly paid employers in Q4, a decrease of 26% year-over-year.

We have seen SMBs react earlier and more dramatically to macroeconomic uncertainty than larger enterprises have reacted, a dynamic that is consistent with what we have seen in prior cycles. However, we continue to succeed in delivering industry-leading matching technology to our customers. Employers of all sizes gain confidence they could pay more to get more by investing in upsells and increasing their effective bids in our marketplace. As a result, revenue per paid employer grew to $1,944 in Q4, an increase of 30% year-on-year. Annual employer cohort trends remained strong throughout 2022. The average revenue for the 2022 employer cohort was approximately 17% higher than the 2021 cohort during its first year. We saw this growth in revenue per paid employer across employers of all sizes, continuing the year’s long trend of increasing year one revenue per employer for each annual cohort.

Additionally, revenue per paid employer continued to grow across each annual cohort. For example, $1,146, the average monthly revenue per paid employer in our 2016 cohort, has grown by nearly 5x since year one. Further, we continued our growth momentum with larger enterprise customers. Performance-based revenue, which is driven predominantly by enterprise customers, increased 48% year-over-year in 2022. This represented 24% of revenue in Q4 compared with 20% in Q4 the year prior. While our marketplace of jobs already reflects the diversity of the United States in terms of geography, industry and skill level, we have a growing base of larger enterprises with more persistent hiring needs in our marketplace. We are in the early stages of penetrating the enterprise segment and expect meaningful opportunities for growth in this area over the long-term.

Now I’ll move on to our second pillar, increasing the number of job seekers in our marketplace. In 2022, active job seekers on ZipRecruiter grew to 42 million, a 20% increase from 2021. We believe that investments in our brand have made ZipRecruiter a destination for job seekers in their time of need. Our product improvements have also positioned us well to capitalize on this moment. As the labor market cools, it provides an opportunity to prove the value of our marketplace to job seekers and create enduring loyalty. Phil has changed the way job seekers find work. Last quarter, we introduced our job calibration feature through Phil, which allows job seekers to train ZipRecruiter on the jobs they prefer by reviewing and providing feedback on a set of potential opportunities.

In Q4, we redesigned the process flow such that over 50% of job seekers now engaged in the job calibration process when prompted to do so, which ultimately leads to better potential opportunities. One of the reasons why our job seeker products are rated number one in both the iOS and Android app stores is that we bring more transparency to the job-seeking process. In Q4, we introduced a new feature, allowing job seekers who receive an invitation to apply to a job, the opportunity to preview how their application would look to the employer. After engaging with our new View as Employer feature, over 60% of job seekers updated their profiles. This not only gives job seekers more insight into and control over the job search process but also provides our marketplace with more data for better matching results.

Over the course of 2022, we introduced new marketing creative, building mind share around ZipRecruiter being the best place for job seekers to find their next great opportunity. These investments have borne fruit. Aided brand awareness among job seekers grew to 80% in Q4, an all-time high. I’ll conclude with our progress around our third pillar, making our matching technology smarter over time. We bring employers and job seekers together using industry-leading matching technology. This technology benefits from the billions of data points we gather as job seekers and employers interact, leading to better matches over time. As a result of our advancements with matching, we delivered over 30 million great match candidates in 2022. In Q4, we introduced more improvements to the meta learning model, giving job seekers more relevant opportunities to apply to.

For example, by intelligently factoring in how a job seeker search patterns influence the jobs they are shown, our latest meta learning model drove up to 8% more applications from job seekers. Many of our job seekers come to ZipRecruiter through job pages found via search engines. In Q4, we deployed a new algorithm to more intelligently rank job advertisements display on curated pages focused on particular jobs in specific regions. These geographically and occupation-targeted pages result in a 10% increase in job seeker registration rate. The progress we made in 2022 gives us greater confidence in our ability to execute going forward. Now I’ll turn it over to Tim to talk through the fourth quarter results as well as guidance for the first quarter and full year for 2023.

Tim?

Tim Yarbrough: Thank you, Dave, and good afternoon, everyone. Our fourth quarter revenue of $210.5 million exceeded the high-end of the guidance we provided in November. This represents a 4% decline year-over-year and is reflective of a continued softening in the hiring market as well as facing particularly challenging comparisons against Q4 ’21, when we grew 93% year-over-year in the post-COVID reopening of the economy. Paid employers were 108,000, representing a 26% decrease versus Q4 ’21 and a 20% decrease versus Q3 ’22. A cooling labor market, combined with the typical seasonal decline drove the sequential decrease in Q4 as employers continued to feel the impact of rising operating expenses and other macroeconomic headwinds.

GAAP net income was $19.4 million in the fourth quarter of 2022 compared to net income of $21 million in Q4 of 2021. Q4 ’22 adjusted EBITDA was $50.6 million, equating to a margin of 24%, compared to $47.6 million, a margin of 22% in Q4 ’21 and $51.7 million, a margin of 23% in Q3 2022. The adjusted EBITDA margin expansion year-over-year primarily reflects lower sales and marketing expenses. We are committed to prudent capital allocation at all stages of the economic cycle while still remaining focused on long-term strategic investments. Cash, cash equivalents and marketable securities was $570.4 million as of December 31, 2022, compared to $669.7 million as of September 30, 2022. The decrease in cash, cash equivalents and marketable securities quarter-over-quarter was primarily due to $140.6 million spent on repurchases of Class A common stock under our share repurchase program, partially offset by $44.5 million in operating cash flow during the fourth quarter.

Turning to guidance. In June of 2022, we saw in the beginning of what would prove to be a persistent decline in the number of jobs posted. We now start 2023 with an increasingly difficult macroeconomic backdrop. Employers have been decreasing their willingness to pay for hires, and many companies are executing layoffs as they tighten budgets. Rather than showing a more typical seasonal rebound from the lows of the December holiday period, we saw online job postings in our marketplace remain depressed. As a result, January’s revenue was down approximately 15% year-over-year. Our 2023 and Q1 ’23 revenue guidance assumes this trend persists throughout the year. We expect Q1 ’23 revenue of $179 million at the midpoint, implying a 21% decrease year-over-year.

At $780 million at the midpoint, full year 2023 revenue implies a 14% decrease compared to 2022. Our Q1 ’23 adjusted EBITDA guidance of $25 million equates to a 14% adjusted EBITDA margin at the midpoint. At $185 million, our full year adjusted EBITDA guidance reflects an adjusted EBITDA margin of 24% at the midpoint. This is in line with our 2022 adjusted EBITDA while demonstrating a margin expansion of 400 basis points. The increase in adjusted EBITDA margin reflects our discipline during this part of the economic cycle while still allowing us to maintain significant investments in our product and matching technology. With a proven flexible and profitable business model, robust balance sheet and continued focus on innovation for both sides of our marketplace, we expect to continue delivering value to employers, job seekers and shareholders through economic cycles.

With that, we can now open the line for questions. Operator?

Q&A Session

Operator: Thank you. We will take our first question from Aaron Kessler with Raymond James. Your line is open.

Aaron Kessler: First is maybe on the revenue guidance for the year. Obviously, the guidance for kind of Q2 to Q4 assumes a recovery off the Q1 levels. Just what’s your confidence in that today? And then, secondly, just on the expenses for the EBITDA guide for the year. I assume that’s primarily coming from sales and marketing leverage or are you also slowing spend in some of the other OpEx lines as well? Thank you.

Ian Siegel: Thanks for the question, Aaron. This is Ian. And I just want to start by saying some things as plainly as possible, which is, clearly, we’re in a macroeconomic slowdown. And online recruiting has effectively cooled across the country, especially among SMBs. So if you look at other job companies at our scale, they’re delivering the same message that we’re delivering today. And similarly or correspondingly to what you would expect from a macro slowdown, we are seeing a surge in job seekers. When there are less jobs, it’s going to take these job seekers longer to find work and that is, in fact, what we are seeing. So based on that backdrop, we made the assumption using the information that was available to us at the time from January that there’s going to be a softer hiring environment throughout 2023.

We don’t have a better prediction than that. As we have repeatedly told you, however, that if there is a softening labor market, if there are less opportunities to invest, if we don’t see the ROI, we have the ability to rapidly pull spending down. And then as you saw, in particular in the post-COVID period, when the recovery comes, we get very early indication and we’re able to rapidly invest to ride it back up. This is going to be one of those periods where we pull back, and so profitability is going to go up. If you look at the short-term, yes, our top-line revenue is growing, our outlook for it is coming down. But if you look at our profit outlook, if you look at our cash flow outlook, if you look at our long-term growth outlook, those remain very strong.

We continue to expect to grow our EBITDA margins to 30%-plus over time. And I just want to reiterate, if you ask me why am I feeling confident in our long-term, I would point to the fact that fundamentally, every quarter, we share the data with you, we get better at delivering the right candidates to employers. It’s just something we’re persistently improving at. We delivered 8 million just last quarter, and that was in one of the tightest labor markets that any of us have seen a historically tight labor market. And then on top of that, not only do we have 80% brand awareness with employers, we’ve been able to drive brand awareness with job seekers to 80% after almost $1 billion of investment in order to build those brands. And that’s a strategy that seems to be paying off because now that the labor market is rebalancing, the job seekers are coming back, and we are in a strong position to serve their needs as they look for work.

And then I would just also emphasize that all of our long-term initiatives that are focused on innovation, whether it’s Phil, our personal AI recruiter, or the modern matching techniques we’re working on or the novel user experiences we’re putting together, all of those remain fully staffed and funded, in fact, R&D investment is going to go up this year. And when you pair that with the size and scale of our existing marketplace and the brand awareness we have, I feel very confident in the long-term. As to the two questions you asked, one regarding, why do we have Q2 through Q3 climbing, obviously, I’m going to turn it over to Tim, our CFO, and let him take these two questions.

Tim Yarbrough: HI, Aaron. Tim here. So I wanted to just click on a couple of items that Ian mentioned already. So as he said, January came in quite a bit below what we would have normally expected because of this unique macroeconomic environment that Ian mentioned. And our assumption in the guidance, both for Q1 as well for the full year is that same kind of lower level of recruiting activity continues throughout 2023. And this is notably a significant step-down from what we’ve seen in 2022 and what we otherwise would have expected. The slowdown that we’ve seen is among both SMBs and enterprises, although SMBs tend to react a bit faster to macroeconomic changes while enterprises have more consistent hiring needs. And so with our revenue mix today being a bit more skewed towards SMBs, this means that the impact of these macroeconomic changes, both positive and negative, would be more pronounced.

So jumping to kind of seasonality and then I’ll hit your question on OpEx in a little bit. So for seasonality, we would expect paid employers to be roughly flat through in Q1, Q2 and Q3 and then probably ticking down sequentially in Q4. And that’s pretty consistent with what we’ve seen in Q4s in the past. Revenue per paid employer, we have high confidence that will continue to go up into the right over the balance of the year, and that’s really driven by a couple of factors. One would be with the generally flat paid employer base, that means that our paid employees will skew more towards the larger mature orgs that have more persistent hiring needs. And as you’ve seen in our cohort data, those employers have a comparatively higher revenue per paid employer.

And the second thing is, our gradual shift towards the enterprise business. So last year, as we noted, performance marketing grew 48% year-on-year, and while we expect the growth to be more moderated in ’23, we’re still excited that, that business is going to continue to grow. And so those factors combined will push revenue per paid employer up throughout the course of the year, and that kind of gives the size and shape of the sequential revenue growth. On the OpEx question, most of the OpEx reductions that are embedded in our guidance are from sales and marketing. This is from the simple fact that we’re scientists, not artists when it comes to our capital allocation. And to the extent that the ROIs aren’t shaping up on marketing, we’re going to conserve that capital and save it for other opportunities.

We’re going to slim down our hiring plan on SG&A. But as Ian noted already, we’re going to continue investing in technology because that’s where we think our advantage is, and we want to keep pushing that advantage.

Operator: We’ll take our next question from Mark Mahaney with Evercore. Your line is open.

Mark Mahaney: A couple of questions. First, the 15% year-over-year decline in January. The guidance for the March quarter implies whatever, low 20s decline. So it implies that things are going to deteriorate through the balance of the quarter. Just the dumb question is, is that what you’re already seeing? Is February already declining more than January? And then, secondly, higher-level question, Ian, for you. You talk about accelerating innovation in ’23. But the particular areas that you’re focused on, do you think they’re particularly opportunistic now for innovation? And I’ll just leave it at those two questions.

Tim Yarbrough: Hey, Mark. This is Tim. I’ll take your first one. So on the shape of Q1, yes, so the 15% we’ve already noted in the call, 15% down year-over-year. When we kind of zoom out and look at the quarter overall, we think that provided for Q1 is appropriate given everything that we’ve seen to-date.

Ian Siegel: And Mark, thanks for the question. This is Ian. Yes, there’s a couple of areas I’m particularly excited about. One of them is Phil. We’ve been talking about Phil for a couple of years now and experimenting with Phil, teaching Phil a variety of new skills, expanding the breadth of information that is available to Phil. And fundamentally, everywhere Phil starts interacting with job seekers, we see records in terms of engagement. It’s clearly a strategy that is proving through data that it is the right approach. Job seekers seem to really like having a career coach who is guiding them through everything from making themselves look better when they get presented to employers to giving them advice about which jobs to apply to.

And then, even going so far as to advocate for them, that’s obviously something that job seekers like a lot so that the employers reach out to the job seeker before they’ve applied and say, hey, will you please apply to my job. That’s our Invite to Apply feature. And really, fundamentally, what I see happening in the world of recruiting right now, the big shift is proactive sourcing, which is where effectively employers go first. So that is manifest on ZipRecruiter’s through our Invite to Apply solution. That’s where an employer sees a curated list of job seekers that are advanced matching algorithms have selected the best available candidates in market, and then the employer has the opportunity to invite those candidates to apply to their job.

Job seekers get that message from an employer. They just love it. I mean it has the highest response rate of any message we’ve ever sent to a job seeker ever. When they do apply, it has the highest thumbs-up rate and other quality signals that we collect any applicant ever. So really, it’s fundamentally a solution where both sides of the marketplace love. If you look at who’s having success or I should say, the most success on ZipRecruiter, really hiring in general, because if you look at the last couple of years and you look at just any data source on proactive sourcing and you saw a massive surge in the percentage of overall hires that were coming from proactive sourcing versus sort of the traditional post-and-wait approach. So I really feel like we’re just at the tip of the spear in terms of where the market is going, and that’s where we’re pushing a lot of our innovation focus, which is another way of saying it is like how fast can we make hires happen.

We are laser-focused on bringing down the time to hire and making this process simpler for employers as a result for job seekers as well.

Operator: We will take our next question from Eric Sheridan with Goldman Sachs. Your line is open.

Eric Sheridan: Maybe two follow-ups of things that have already been asked. Appreciate the color from an SMB versus enterprise perspective. Any color you could give us on industry vertical of what you’re seeing? How much are we supposed to read into how many things you’ve seen might be either leading or lagging in terms of indicators versus your broader array of customers across all the industry vertical exposure? That would be number one. And then, number two, maybe just following up on Mark there. I think those of us who have done this sector for a long time so to continue to come back to the theme of the companies that invested through downturns, especially when they see an addressable market dynamic, can capture some of that exit velocity. What do you see as the most mission-critical investments to make in ’23 when you think against the landscape of capturing more of the job market exiting ’23 and going into ’24? Thanks so much.

David Travers: Thanks, Eric. This is Dave. So on the industry verticals first, yes, we do see a little bit of variance among verticals. As you might expect, health care is particularly stable and strong and appears to be less sensitive to the macro backdrop that we’re seeing. Retail is actually reasonably strong as well. And then, on the other side of things, finance and technology are on the weaker side of the spectrum in terms of industry breakdown. In terms of geography, it’s pretty well spread across. So we don’t see a huge variance there. And then as we noted earlier, we’re seeing it across the economy, but more in SMB than in enterprise. From last year, we had stronger growth in the performance marketing side, where we had 48% growth year-over-year in ’22 from the performance marketing revenue line that comes largely from enterprises.

And then, on the mission-critical investment side, so yes, within the R&D realm is where the majority of those mission-critical investments are. Secondarily to that, I would say the enterprise sales team is an area where we continue to invest given the momentum there. But on the R&D side, as Ian referenced earlier, things that enable us to go faster and create better matching. So that means pulling in more sources of data both directly from our own job seekers and employers and from third parties like applicant tracking systems where we made several announcements. About new integrations with key partners there, allows us to bring the matching algorithms with more data to make better and better decisions that give us that ability to generate over 30 million great matches last year.

So I would expect that number to go up over time as both the size of both sides of the marketplace grow and as our matching technology gets better. And then finally, making the process more human. So Ian spoke a little bit about Phil, but making each individual employer and each individual job seeker feel like the marketplace is working for them and they aren’t just a user interface receptacle for a massive piece of technology, but rather that they are seen for the individuals’ companies that they are and the needs they have for this particular search for opportunity.

Ian Siegel: Yes. I’m just going to add. I just want to tag on that. Like when I think about mission-critical investment, obviously, I think about our ongoing work to move upmarket into enterprise. We grew at 48% last year. We have tremendous momentum. There’s still a lot of market share that we haven’t penetrated yet. So I remain optimistic about our growth prospects for it even in 2023. And I think that over time, we are going to balance our marketplace in more of a 50-50 spread between SMB and enterprise.

Operator: We will take our next question from Doug Anmuth, JPMorgan. Your line is open.

Doug Anmuth: I have two. Just first on the January performance. I know what you’re seeing is broad-based across the industry. It does feel like maybe some are down perhaps a bit less than you are. Just trying to understand if that’s purely driven in your view by the SMB versus enterprise mix, or is there anything else more company-specific that’s going on? That’s one. And then just second, just following up on enterprise. And Ian, you mentioned the 50-50 split. Anything you’d point to there in terms of a time frame or kind of target goal that you think about in reaching that split? Thanks.

David Travers: Thanks, Doug. Yes. So in terms of how we think about the year-over-year decline, obviously, we’ve heard other large players in the online job space talked over the past couple of weeks about hiring freezes and dampened outlooks for the future. We’ve heard about layoffs at another. So this is a trend that we’re seeing. In terms of the quantum, I don’t believe we’ve seen directly what the January-specific numbers are for many of them. But as we look across our data points and across the industry, this looks very much to be an industry-wide phenomenon to us. And I think from an SMB concentration standpoint, given our higher than 76% coming from the subscription side of our revenue model that’s mainly driven by SMBs last quarter that concentration is probably going to make us a little bit more acutely feeling the January slowdown than potentially some others who are more enterprise-focused, but we’ll see.

But what we feel extremely confident in is over the medium to long-term, nothing has changed about our outlook. We’re in a growing TAM where employers continue to feel like the importance of finding the next great talent is mission-critical for their business. And we’re in a market where online is going to continue to take share from off-line and nothing about our medium to long-term outlook. And you’ve seen that in prior cycles from COVID, et cetera, and you’ll see that again next time as the economy stabilizes and recovers. To your question about enterprise, I think the core of our ability to drive enterprise to being something more like 50-50 in our marketplace is our ability to build our brand with enterprises and speak to them in a more sophisticated, multi-touch way.

That’s different than how SMBs purchase from us, where it’s often more of a one touch or fully online experience to get them started, and only do they start talking to people here after they’re already customers. So that’s only a couple of years old rather than more than a decade old as a sales motion for us. And we’re getting more and more sophisticated. As we go and continue to grow that team that will increasingly cover the large enterprises out there. So I don’t think it is a super near-term path to 50-50, but the path to us, given our current momentum and what the feedback is from customers who are using us increasingly in the enterprise space, makes it increasingly clear that we will get there.

Operator: We will take our next question from Trevor Young with Barclays. Your line is open.

Trevor Young: First one, just as we look longer term towards a potential revenue recovery. Ian, I think you mentioned lean back in on marketing once you start to see those signs. How should we think about kind of deleverage from that line? How much of the margin gain that you get this year you potentially going to get back in the future in light of the fact that you have really aided brand awareness among both jobs seekers and employers? And then, second one, just how are you thinking about approach to capital allocation in ’23 in light of the revenue headwinds? Do you still have appetite for share repurchases given free cash flow generation?

Ian Siegel: Well, I’ll take the first part of your question. This is Ian again. And I would say that our posture remains opportunistic in that when we see a buying opportunity, we intend to buy. And we think that there is a lot of headroom for growth still in this business and we expect to grow. So in a scenario where we see a healthy return on investment, we will invest to the maximum in those scenarios, just so that we can become a bigger company. The bigger we are, the more liquidity we have in our marketplace for both sides of our marketplace fundamentally makes our product better for both sides of our marketplace. So that’s how we look at it. Dave, do you want to take the second part?

David Travers: Yes. So exactly to Ian’s point. And from a deleverage standpoint, the sharper the recovery, the more we will lean into it and the more you’ll see revenue growth pick up more rapidly. And we’ll be willing to invest some of that profitability in the short-term to generate that outsized growth in the long-term. And we find that when we’re more decisive and act faster that the very beginning of cycles is often one of the best times to invest in that way. And then in terms of capital allocation, nothing has changed about our underlying view of the intrinsic value of our own business. Our ability to generate free cash flow per share at greater and greater rates over time, which gives us a strong sense of when buying our own stock creates real meaningful opportunity for significant returns, is not still part of our long-term ongoing strategy.

But when we see an outsized opportunity, we’ll continue to do it. So obviously, last year, we bought over 18 million shares. We now have just under 119 million shares outstanding. The average price of that was a little over $18. And nothing about our view of intrinsic value has changed. Our balance sheet remains exceptionally strong, and our ability to generate cash flow remains strong. So our posture remains aggressive when we see an exceptional opportunity to be aggressive.

Tim Yarbrough: Yes. And Trevor, this is Tim. I’ll just add on a little bit. Just to reiterate our priorities when it comes to capital allocation, our first priority has been and still is organic investment. And as we talked about before, we’re fully funded. We’re pulling back on sales and marketing, but fully funding our product roadmap and our tech teams. Our second priority is M&A for dev activities, and we have a steady process going on there. And then, the third would be shareholder capital returns like Dave just talked about. But that priority structure remains as it was in the past.

Operator: And we will take our last question from Ralph Schackart with William Blair. Your line is open.

Ralph Schackart: Just first question philosophically on margins. Obviously, your model provides you a lot of flexibility on the variable environment, which is great. But if the macro will continue to, I guess, sort of stiffen going forward. I guess, how committed are you to protecting margins? And is there, I guess, a minimum base level of sales and marketing spend that you would need to carry through 2023? Or is that going to continue to be variable? And then, just last a clarifying question for Tim. Tim, I think on Aaron’s question, you talked about paid employers being sort of flat Q1 to Q3. Would that be flat off of the most recent quarter? Or should we expect a step-down in Q1 and sort of flatten out for Q1 to Q3 in 2023?

Tim Yarbrough: Yes, Ralph. I’ll clarify the second point first. So we’d expect paid employers to be roughly flat. Sequentially, Q4 to Q1 would be, I think, a reasonable assumption. For your other question about margins, we’re not targeting very specific margins necessarily, but we’re much more bottoms-up in how we’re focusing our dollars. And so that means to the extent that we see opportunities pencil out , there’s going to be return behind that investment. There’s a lot of flexibility in our operating expense structure. That’s how we’re able to show 24% EBITDA margins at the midpoint of our guidance this year. That flexibility comes primarily from sales and marketing, like I said before. However, we have more flexibility if need be both up and down.

There’s a minimum amount of spend, of course, when it comes to marketing, where we already enjoy 80%-plus aided brand awareness on both job seeker and employer sides of our marketplace. That’s because we’ve invested a lot of capital, and it’s less expensive to maintain that brand awareness than it is to build it. So I think we’re going to be well positioned to benefit from that brand recognition over the long run without having to increase our sales and marketing investments massively there. The other thing I’ll say is, to the point of our flexible operating expense structure, if you go back to COVID from Q1 to Q2 of 2020, we took down our total operating expenses by roughly 50%. And so we’re not planning on doing that. I don’t think that is necessary right now, consistent with our guidance but we have that ability to flex very quickly if we need to.

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