The RMR Group Inc. (NASDAQ:RMR) Q1 2025 Earnings Call Transcript

The RMR Group Inc. (NASDAQ:RMR) Q1 2025 Earnings Call Transcript February 6, 2025

Operator: Good morning, and welcome to The RMR Group Inc. Fiscal First Quarter 2025 Earnings Conference Call. All participants will be in listen-only mode. Should you need assistance, please signal a conference specialist by pressing the star key followed by zero. After today’s presentation, there will be an opportunity to ask questions. Please note this event is being recorded. I’d now like to turn the call over to Kevin Barry, Senior Director of Investor Relations. Please go ahead.

Kevin Barry: Good morning and thank you for joining The RMR Group Inc.’s first quarter fiscal 2025 conference call. On today’s call are President and CEO, Adam Portnoy, and Chief Financial Officer, Matt Jordan. In just a moment, they will provide details about our business and quarterly results, followed by a question and answer session. I would also like to note that the recording and retransmission of today’s conference call is prohibited without the prior written consent of the company. Today’s conference call contains forward-looking statements within the meaning of the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995 and other securities laws. These forward-looking statements are based on The RMR Group Inc.’s beliefs and expectations as of today, February 6, 2025, and actual results may differ materially from those that we project.

The company undertakes no obligation to revise or publicly release the results of any revision to the forward-looking statements made in today’s conference call. Additional information concerning factors that could cause those differences is contained in our filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission. We can be found on our website at rmrgroup.com. Investors are cautioned not to place undue reliance upon any forward-looking statements. In addition, we may discuss non-GAAP numbers during this call including adjusted net income, adjusted earnings per share, distributable earnings, and adjusted EBITDA. A reconciliation of net income determined in accordance with US generally accepted accounting principles to these non-GAAP figures can be found in our financial results.

I will now turn the call over to Adam.

Adam Portnoy: Thanks, Kevin, and thank you all for joining us this morning. Yesterday, we reported first quarter results that were in line with our expectations, highlighted by adjusted net income of $0.35 per share, and distributable earnings of $0.46 per share. With nearly $150 million of cash on hand and adjusted EBITDA this quarter of approximately $21 million, our dividend remains secure. Two weeks ago, we further strengthened our liquidity by establishing a $100 million line of credit. Although we have no immediate plans to draw on this facility, it further enhances our financial profile and puts us in a strong position to continue investing in growth initiatives. We are optimistic that the cyclical bottom for commercial real estate is likely behind us and the market is positioned to improve in 2025.

Despite some lingering uncertainty, fundamentals across most real estate sectors are getting better. Our recent interactions with our institutional private capital partners indicate that they are also ready to make significant investments in sectors where they have conviction around in 2025. Three private capital growth areas that we are focused on in 2025 are the residential sector, credit strategies, and development initiatives. In each of these areas, The RMR Group Inc. is well-positioned to take advantage of strong investor interest in these sectors. And we continue to advance our fundraising efforts through a combination of internal resources and strategic partners. A recent example of the growing momentum is at our residential platform, where we recently raised over $60 million from three institutional partners to acquire two South Florida residential communities with an aggregate purchase price of almost $200 million.

As general partner, The RMR Group Inc. will invest approximately $10 million in aggregate into these deals. Over the next three to five years, The RMR Group Inc. will execute a value-add business strategy at each property with expected returns in the high teens. In addition to acquisition fees and ongoing property management fees, upon completion of each property’s respective business plan, we stand to earn promote income if certain investment hurdles are met. We believe this early momentum is the beginning of our institutional partners coming off the sidelines and supporting our belief that now is a good time to make investments as we transition from a period of oversupply in residential to a period of steady demand-driven growth. Especially in the Sunbelt markets where The RMR Group Inc.

has a successful track record. While we expect to continue to execute one-off strategic joint ventures with The RMR Group Inc. as the general partner, our goal is to raise a committed fund focused on residential investments in the future. As it relates to our private real estate credit vehicle fundraising, we remain confident in the demand for private real estate credit and believe we have a differentiated product focused on middle-market lending with a proven track record. We are continuing fundraising in what is a crowded space but remain confident that in 2025, we will have success. As a reminder, our on-balance sheet loan portfolio currently consists of $67 million in aggregate commitments, all of which are performing at or ahead of their stated business plans with a goal of seeding our credit vehicle with approximately $100 million of bridge loans.

Turning to our public capital clients, we are limited on what we can discuss today as we are reporting results in advance of their earnings reports in the coming weeks. Although, I do want to highlight some recent public announcements that underscore the actions we are taking to reduce leverage and improve cash flow at these clients. OPI finished an active year highlighted by a focus on addressing its debt maturities in a challenging financing environment for the office sector. We executed on $1.8 billion of financings including a debt exchange transaction related to OPI’s 2025 debt maturity that closed in December 2024. OPI also executed well on its asset disposition plans, selling 17 properties for over $114 million during the past quarter and using the proceeds to repay its remaining 2025 debt maturity in January.

SBC is advancing its plans to improve the composition of its hotel portfolio and strengthen its balance sheet. The company has begun marketing efforts to sell 114 Sonesta Hotels this year, targeting $1 billion in proceeds to improve liquidity and reduce leverage. We remain confident that the rationalization of SBC’s hotel portfolio, stable cash flows from its triple net lease assets, and continued prudent capital allocation, well-position SVC for long-term value creation. DHC continues to execute on initiatives to improve its portfolio while pursuing deleveraging strategies. To that end, earlier this week, the company completed the sale of a 186,000 square foot life science campus in San Diego, for $159 million, approximately $855 per square foot.

DHC also expects to close its previously announced sale of 18 senior living communities to Brookdale Senior Living for $135 million later this month. Lastly, our commercial mortgage REIT, Seven Hills Realty Trust, achieved exceptional results for shareholders in 2024. Seven Hills delivered a total shareholder return of over 12% compared to its industry benchmark which had a total return of negative 8% during the same period. This outperformance is a testament to the strength of our lending platform and management’s disciplined underwriting and asset management capabilities. To conclude, we are pleased with the progress we have made assisting our clients with their financial and strategic objectives, while also driving new growth initiatives.

We look forward to updating you on our progress in the coming quarters. With that, I’ll now turn the call over to Matt Jordan, Executive Vice President and our Chief Financial Officer.

Matt Jordan: Adam, and good morning, everyone. As Adam highlighted earlier, this quarter’s results were in line with our expectations as The RMR Group Inc. generated net income of $0.38 per share, adjusted net income of $0.35 per share, and distributable earnings of $0.46 per share. On a sequential quarter basis, The RMR Group Inc.’s earnings continued to exhibit stability as cost containment efforts offset lower revenues given challenges at our managed equity REITs. Recurring service revenues were $47.3 million this quarter, a decrease of approximately $700,000 sequentially. This decrease was primarily driven by enterprise value declines at our managed equity REIT and lower property management fees resulting from asset sales.

Both of which were slightly offset by seasonal growth in construction spend that tends to occur in the fourth calendar quarter of every year. Next quarter, based on the current enterprise values of our managed equity REITs, and a meaningful decline in construction activity, as our clients prudently manage liquidity, we expect recurring service revenues to be approximately $46 million. As Adam highlighted earlier, in our March 31st quarter, we will have closed two joint ventures to acquire two South Florida residential communities with an aggregate purchase price of almost $200 million. The recurring service revenues of $46 million I outlined for next quarter include the impact of these transactions, more specifically one-time acquisition fees of $700,000 and ongoing property management fees.

Turning to expenses, recurring cash compensation was $42.6 million this quarter, a decline of approximately $1.5 million sequentially. Which reflects the impact of headcount actions taken in calendar 2024, investments in technology we’ve made that have driven increased automation, and adjustments to our bonus projections given the headwinds our clients are facing. Looking ahead to next quarter, we expect approximately $43 million with our cash reimbursement rate remaining at approximately 50%. Recurring G&A this quarter was $11.1 million, a modest sequential increase due to investments being made in our growth initiatives. Next quarter, we expect recurring G&A to remain at or slightly below this level. Aggregating these collective assumptions, next quarter we expect adjusted net income to be between $0.29 and $0.30 per share, adjusted EBITDA to be approximately $20 million, and distributable earnings to be between $0.42 and $0.43 per share.

As Adam highlighted earlier, in January, we entered into a $100 million credit facility to increase our capacity to invest in private capital growth initiatives. This line bears interest at SOFR plus 225 basis points and has an unused commitment fee of 50 basis points. With nearly $150 million of cash on hand, and no outstanding corporate debt, we remain well-positioned to take advantage of improving real estate market conditions. That concludes our prepared remarks. Operator, please open the line for questions.

Q&A Session

Operator: We will now begin the question and answer session. If you’re using a speakerphone, please pick up your handset before pressing the keys. To withdraw your question, please press star then two. Our first question will come from Ronald Kamdem with Morgan Stanley. You may now go ahead.

Ronald Kamdem: Hey, thanks for taking the questions. Couple of quick ones. Just starting with the sort of RMR residential JV investments, just wondering if you could talk a little bit more about that, what those sort of opportunities present, what the pipeline sort of looks like, I know you put some of the sort of the dollar numbers, but are targeted IRRs and things like that would be helpful.

Adam Portnoy: Sure. Hi, good morning, Ron. Thank you for the question. With regards to our residential platform and specifically the deals we announced on the call, it represents, as I said before, about $200 million in gross investment. We are the GP in those deals. Those are you can think of them as structured joint ventures. The partners have invested around a total of $60 million of equity in there. Most of those partners are generally you can think of them as other asset management firms. Generally. And the goal really is to acquire assets in this sort of joint venture structure. For the remainder of 2025. To give you a feel for how we’re thinking about it, we expect, you know, a minimum of in total for our fiscal year, $500 million.

But you know, we could exceed $1 billion in investments along this line in fiscal 2025. And the expected returns generally are mid-teens. And if we can, you know, hit or exceed those returns, there are promote structures in place, which The RMR Group Inc. gets to participate in if we are successful. Now keep in mind, you know, we’re just acquiring these properties. They typically have a three to five-year business plan. So those promotes, if they were to materialize, you’re talking about three to five years from now as we execute on the business plan and turn them around. We’re very confident in our ability to execute on that strategy. And we’re also really confident there is a really large pipeline of opportunities for us to invest this way.

As you know, just over a year ago, we acquired the residential platform, which is headquartered down in Atlanta. It really took us the last year to sort of fully integrate it. Sort of get all the acquisition and asset management folks sort of in place that we wanted to have there. And I feel really good about how we are starting this year and I think, you know, this is just the beginning of what I expect to be a large part of our AUM going forward.

Ronald Kamdem: Great. That’s super helpful. And then I guess, my second question was just I think in your opening comments, I think you talked about residential and I think two others. Sort of big themes for this year. I felt like development may have been sort of new. I’m not sure you sort of mentioned that before, but maybe a little bit more commentary on what that entails, what that opportunity is. Thanks.

Adam Portnoy: Okay. Sure. Thank you for that. Yeah. You’re very astute, Ron. We did insert that in this year in this course. Script, and we haven’t talked much about it. We think there are a lot of development opportunities within our embedded portfolio that we can take advantage of. Some of those, to give you just a very high-level example, would be taking down an older obsolete structure of some sort. It could be office. It could be retail. And then redeveloping that into likely industrial warehouses and or multifamily residential that are all some mixed-use opportunities there. Some of these opportunities have been expressed in the press, in the media, you know, at SVC. A very large opportunity is something that we have going on down in Nashville.

It’s a former truck stop. It’s been discussed in media publications. About an opportunity to redevelop that into well, you know, close to two million square feet. In that project. It’s a mixed-use project. It’s a very large project. You know, there’s been press around. We have a site here in Boston that we have submitted to the authorities here in the Boston market about redeveloping taking down a few buildings that we own, and turning that into a forty-story tower. That’s a project again that would be probably multi-years in if we were to get it going. But those are some of the larger projects. There are many more smaller projects underway. And those are opportunities for The RMR Group Inc. to earn, obviously, a construction management fee.

But I think in many of those opportunities, we could do them on balance sheet, but we could also think about bringing in partners similar a similar fashion to what we have done with the residential side. We bring in outside equity to be the limited partner and The RMR Group Inc. would then also perhaps have a promote if we were to able to produce the returns we think we can on some of these development projects. So I think look, if all goes to plan, I think in 2025, you’ll start seeing some of these development plans come to fruition, and that’s why we want to flag it in the or in our commentary because I think it’s gonna be something that we are hopefully gonna kick off and have some investments to talk about in 2025.

Ronald Kamdem: Great. That’s it for me. Thanks so much.

Operator: Our next question will come from Mitch Germain with Citizens JMP. You may now go ahead.

Mitch Germain: Thank you. Adam, just on the residential investments. You know, I know initially you were targeting to do a broader fund. Is this a pivot to do individual investments with specific institutions or is there some sort of roll-up strategy that you’re going to look to focus on maybe down the road?

Adam Portnoy: Thanks. Good morning, Mitch, and thanks for the question. It’s a little different than what we originally spoke about when we acquired the platform about a year ago. At that time, you remember we acquired it, it had a GP fund in place at the time of acquisition. And we were not sure if that GP Fund was going to invest in future investments. We thought at the time of acquisition that they would likely invest in future acquisitions as the GP. It has become evident that that fund is unlikely to continue to invest as a GP investor, in the deals we’re putting together. So the pivot if there’s been a pivot, has been that The RMR Group Inc. is going to fund 100% of the GP interest. We always anticipated that we would go out in the first instance and find partners to come in as LPs into deals and that The RMR Group Inc.

might take a very small minority piece of the deal. What’s different is we are taking the full GP interest. It’s not in the difference. So and if you went back and listened to what we said about a year ago, we talked a lot about, you know, GP Fund and that we had billions of dollars of capacity under that GP fund to put investments to work. It doesn’t look like that GP fund is going for various reasons that I won’t get into is going to be deploying much capital. And that we are going to be doing the GP investments ourselves. The good thing that we are encouraged by is that there’s a lot of LPs out there that want to co-invest and come into the deal and are very comfortable. In fact, deals might be coming together and better because The RMR Group Inc.

is the GP and putting up, you know, a little bit of capital into the deal. So we’re very encouraged by it. It’s a little bit of a pivot. Because of that, I think, you know, if you listen to us a year ago, we were probably talking about, you know, we had capacity to $2 billion of acquisitions under that GP fund. You know, I still think we could do well in excess of $1 billion, with us as the GP, as us acting as the GP, perhaps more. To your second part of your question, is there an opportunity to do a roll-up? Perhaps. That is not the stated goal when we do put these deals together. But I did say in my prepared remarks, we are trying to put together a dedicated fund with either full discretion or limited discretion upon with The RMR Group Inc.

That’s something we’re gonna continue to pursue in 2025 into 2026, I imagine. And as we do that, it might make sense to seed the fund with some balance sheet investments. And so that’s not really a roll-up, but it’s a little different. I’m trying to answer the question by saying, you’ll remember that we bought a property on our balance sheet. It’s in our supplemental materials in Denver, I think it was the third quarter last year. Third fourth fiscal quarter, third calendar quarter. We could do a couple more deals like that. To help seed an investment to get that discretionary or quasi fund up and going. Not too dissimilar to what we’re doing on the credit side that we talk about where we’re putting on balance sheet some loans. So very similar strategy, but it’s not really a roll-up, but I’m trying to answer it in the spirit of what you’re asking.

Mitch Germain: Okay. So I just wanna kind of make sure I understand what you’re saying because basically, over time, you could have some individual joint venture investments, whether it be multifamily, maybe development, and you may have some funds multifamily, loan, whatever, my loan origin, whatever it might be. So it just creates a little bit of complication, but there could be individual investments as well as loan investment. Fund investments. Right? That’s the way they kinda think of the strategy going forward.

Adam Portnoy: Yes. Absolutely. On a quarter-to-quarter basis, you will likely see in the future there will be some on-balance sheet investments that we will fully consolidate. They could be in residential, could be loans, I don’t know or think we probably do a development fully on balance sheet. We’d probably only do that if it was, you know, off balance sheet. But the goal is that we’re doing that to seed funds. So eventually, and I can’t put an exact timeline on it, eventually, what is on balance sheet, you would go off balance sheet as the seed investments in a fund. The only reason we would ever put anything on balance sheet is that we are hoping that it’s going to be a seed investment for a future fund. I don’t know if that future fund would be one quarter away from when we put it on the balance sheet or four quarters away from when we put it on a balance sheet.

But that’s the intention. That’s why we’re doing it. But, yes, quarter to quarter, you will likely see some fully consolidated investments in, let’s say, loans or properties. And then you will also see investments in, you know, as a GP, in funds or joint ventures. That’s correct.

Mitch Germain: Great. Don’t perfect. That answered it exactly how I wanted just to clarify it. I wanted just to just address earnings if I could. I forgot. Matt, I apologize. I don’t have your adjusted oh, sorry. Adjusted net income, $0.29 to $0.30. It’s down quarter over quarter. Distributor earnings down, you know, for consecutive quarters. How much of this is seasonality because it does seem like you get a little bit of a pickup in the first quarter by the acquisition fee, as well as the participation in the income on these new investments. So you know, what is really generally causing this you know, kinda quarter over quarter decline in earnings here.

Matt Jordan: Yeah. The biggest hit heading into the first calendar quarter, Mitch, is construction volumes. They are gonna be cut in half. The fourth calendar quarter of the year is always our highest. The first calendar quarter is always our lowest. And the first calendar quarter is further exacerbated by just fiscal discipline at the REITs, cutting construction spend from about $100 million this quarter to about $50 million next quarter. And that has a very meaningful impact on construction management fees. You also have some headwinds on enterprise value for the REITs, and then the first calendar quarter also always suffers from our compensation expense, ticks up a bit because of payroll taxes and 401k withholdings restarting on January 1st every year.

So the first calendar quarter has embedded seasonal headwinds, and then you just have some greater client-related activities also impacting the quarter. The goal and hope is we look out past this upcoming quarter is that we’ll start to tick back up. All of those major metrics.

Mitch Germain: Okay. Because I know you get the benefit of the $700,000 fee. So I felt like that offset some of the whether it be comp or seasonality. But okay.

Matt Jordan: Go ahead.

Mitch Germain: No. Go ahead, please, Matt.

Matt Jordan: Yeah. I was just gonna give you a further the construction management fees alone are down $1.8 million. So the acquisition fees help soften that blow, but that’s a pretty big impact.

Mitch Germain: And that’s, like, is that example, you know, kinda SVC, which is now taking a lot of the CapEx work away or board, but yeah. Okay.

Matt Jordan: It’s across the board.

Mitch Germain: Gotcha. Okay. And we appreciate it. When I now that I have you, I just talk to me about the margin. I mean, obviously, we knew you know, it was gonna take a little time to fully integrate Carol into the platform, but you know, we have seen a pretty significant deterioration in your EBITDA margins 52% to 42% over the last year. You know, kinda what’s your outlook there? I mean, listen, you’re extremely cash flow positive. You’re well covered on your dividend. This isn’t a sign of any distress. Most people would love to have 50% 42% margins, but there was a time in which they were north of 50%. So just tell me about, you know, kinda what’s happening there and where your outlook is.

Matt Jordan: Yeah. Our target is to clearly get back to the 50% range, Mitch. And it really is a function of our residential platform. They’re throwing off $5 million in fees, but unfortunately, are a breakeven business. And until that improves, that margin that incremental growth back to 50% isn’t gonna occur. So the points Adam made we are definitely headed in the right direction on the residential front. And we’re being very mindful of cost there. Without impacting the ability to grow that platform. But I think it’ll be a couple quarters at the earliest before we’re getting anywhere back towards the 50% margin.

Mitch Germain: Great. And then the last one for me, just to clarify the multifamily investments you get the ongoing participation in the income you get a manager fee as well as just a one-time acquisition fee. Is that the way to look at it?

Matt Jordan: Yeah. And to be so it’s an acquisition fee, right up front, which averages about 50 to 60 basis points. Will you know, get our proportionate share of earnings as a GP in a and an owner, and then we just get property management and construction fees. Are about $200,000 a quarter on these two assets. We do not get asset management fees. That those kinds of fees will be more applicable when we ultimately get to a fund structure.

Mitch Germain: Right. Thank you.

Operator: Our next question will come from John Massocca with B. Riley Securities. You may now go ahead.

John Massocca: Good morning. So maybe just thinking about the revolver you put in place, I mean, what do you think is the likelihood that you tap anything off of that in calendar year 2025? Just trying to think about the pace of you know, private investments and given some of the seed investments that seem like you might be making in the coming quarter. Just kinda wanted to get a little clarity on that and just to, you know, utilization of the cash balance as well.

Adam Portnoy: Sure. I think it’s probably you know, we have enough cash on the balance sheet to sort of do our base business investments as we look at the horizon today. Through fiscal year September. So I would say less than 50% chance we draw anything on the revolver, but it’s not zero. And we really put that in place because we are ramping up this seeding of funds, putting more using our balance sheet much more active at The RMR Group Inc., to try to accelerate the growth of our private capital business. And as we do that, we wanted to make sure we had sufficient liquidity that if opportunities came around over the next several few quarters, that we could accelerate it. So let’s say, for example, I’m picking you know, we had an opportunity to put a fund together, but we felt like, you know, we really all the LPs lined up, but we really had to seed it with, like, I’m gonna just pick a number.

You know, a few a few a couple hundred million dollars of seed investments. We might accelerate the pace that we put assets on the balance sheet to then and that might require us to then draw in the revolver. To then quickly turn around. Our hope would be to then, you know, see that. Be the seed investments. But as a base business, as we look out today, I think it’s you know, we can do everything we plan to do in 2025. Probably without using the revolver. But we wanna have that option that as we get further into the year, that our opportunities present themselves, we have the flexibility and liquidity to act on it. And so I think it’s less than 50%, but it’s not zero. And you know, there’s some chance we will draw on it, but that does I hope that gives you a feel for it.

John Massocca: Yeah. That’s very helpful. Then maybe thinking about the residential investments specifically, I mean, is there kind of a split you see in the future between deals similar to the one in Florida versus kinda more, you know, full balance sheet, seed transactions.

Adam Portnoy: I think you’re gonna see us doing both in fiscal year 2025. I think there’s a me put this right. I know for sure we’re gonna do I think, many more joint venture type deals like we just did. I think you’re gonna see many deals like that. I think there’s a good chance you could see one or two deals on balance sheet in fiscal year 2025. So to give you a sense, yeah, I think you’ll see if what when I said earlier, and I think it was answering a question, let’s say we did $1 billion in 2025 of residential investments. I expect the vast majority of that $1 billion would be where we’re just the GP. But it could be in that scenario where one or two of those assets could be call it up to a couple hundred million dollars, could be on our balance sheet.

So there’s a strong bias to do it much more in the JV structure. But there could be an opportunity to do some on balance sheet. This sort of ties back to your prior question around using the revolver. That could be an opportunity that could be a reason we would use the revolver. But again, that would be tied to if we were doing that, we’d have some conviction around the ability to use those on balance sheet investments whole, you know, consolidated property investments to seed the vehicle. Very similar to what we’re doing on your credit fund. I expect we will also do some additional credit investments or loan investments on balance sheet in fiscal year 2025. Again, all with an eye towards those are going to be the seed investments in a fund.

John Massocca: Okay. And then I know it’s very big picture and, you know, we’re early days, but any kind of would is it 2026 kind of the timeline for when we might anticipate both sets of funds being available to take down seed investments through additional, you know, transactions, etcetera? I mean, is that kind of a 2026 event?

Adam Portnoy: I think it’s a fair assessment to say it’s a 2026 event. I think we’re laying all the groundwork in fiscal year 2025. Our hope is that we’ll have some announcements in fiscal year 2025, but I don’t think we’ll have capital out. You know, it’s hard for me to see that we’ll have funds established deploying capital in those funds in 2025. It’s up to it it could happen in the fourth fiscal quarter. But that would be, you know, things going really well.

John Massocca: K. That’s it for me. I appreciate it, Tyler. Thank you.

Operator: This concludes our question and answer session. I’d like to turn the conference back over to Adam Portnoy, President and Chief Executive Officer for any closing remarks.

Adam Portnoy: Thank you all for joining us today. We look forward to seeing many of you at the Morgan Stanley CRE Conference in New York City later this month. Please reach out to Investor Relations if you are interested in scheduling a meeting with The RMR Group Inc. Operator, that concludes our call.

Operator: The conference is now concluded. Thanks for attending today’s presentation. You may now disconnect.