Ryan Specialty Holdings, Inc. (NYSE:RYAN) Q3 2023 Earnings Call Transcript

And we understand that. So we keep building their need for us. That’s a big part of our strategy.

Robert Cox: Thanks. Appreciate the color.

Operator: Our next question comes from the line of Brian Meredith with UBS. Please proceed with your question.

Brian Meredith: Yes. Thanks. [Indiscernible] Pat, I’m just curious, there’s a potential very large wholesaler that’s going to get sold to a private equity shop. Does that create any opportunities for you? Do you ever see like teams fall out after something like that happens? With the relationship there with the big bank potentially call some business to shake out?

Patrick Ryan: Well, I’ve got to be very careful answering this question. Yes. First of all, we don’t have movement out of our company. As you know, we retain our talent. Some people do have movement out of the company, their company. And that’s kind of a cultural thing. That’s a strategic issue. I’d rather not comment on what might happen to any individual company. That’s not something we do talk about competitors or clients for that matter. So if you’ll pardon my not commenting on that, I’ll just say that in the brokerage business, and you’ve observed this across brokerage space, there’s a lot of mobility. There’s a lot of mobility. And fortunately, we have a culture that has allowed us to maintain our talent. Fortunately, we have a platform that allows the people who join us to get significant productivity increases.

So people who come from another firm almost always, fast, fast majority of the time, increase their productivity. When we make acquisitions, like Socius, they’re already increasing their productivity, and they’ve only been with us a few months. So it’s the culture, it’s the trading relationships that we have with capital providers, it’s the trading relationships of trust and reliability that we have with our retail brokers. They know that we are passionate about serving them well and helping them serve their clients well, partnering on their behalf. So talent wins in this business. Talent wins in this business. And that’s why we’re winning.

Brian Meredith: Makes sense. Appreciate that. And then a second question, just curious, transactional type business. Are you seeing any pickup there? Any green shoots kind of what’s the view there?

Timothy Turner: Well, global M&A transactions volumes remain under pressure. I mean, certainly in light of higher interest rates and macro uncertainty. We are seeing incremental opportunities. We’ve been doing our best to offset as much of that pressure through geographic expansion and product expansion, including the launch of our first office in Singapore. Behind us, though, there’s two substantial losses in the industry totaling speculated to total almost $1.4 billion. So therefore, despite lower deal volumes, we remain very optimistic on rate going into next year.

Brian Meredith: Great. Thank you.

Operator: And our next question comes from the line of Meyer Shields from KBW. Please proceed with your question.

Meyer Shields: Great. Thanks so much and good evening all. I think there’s a question for Jeremiah. When you provide guidance going forward, what is the assumption for supplemental and contingent commissions embedded in that? Not numerically but conceptually?

Jeremiah Bickham: A good question, Meyer. Supplemental and contingent commissions are not part of the organic growth calculation. So they’re not contemplated in organic revenue guidance. But our forecast, of course, does contemplate them on the margin guidance.

Meyer Shields: Okay. Perfect. That’s helpful. A second broader question. I know we’ve touched on this, but I’m trying to get a sense as to the – maybe acceleration of rate increases or the acceleration of business moving to the E&S market on the casualty side as social inflation persists or accelerate. In between, is it easy to see any inflection point on either of those?