Penumbra, Inc. (NYSE:PEN) Q3 2023 Earnings Call Transcript

And I guess our R&D team is – it’s just evolving. They have always been amazing. They have brought us this far, but they are extraordinary, and I need to do a quick shot out to them for getting us to this stage.

Michael Sarcone: Great. Thank you. I believe you also disclosed, I think you said 50% U.S. vascular thrombectomy sales growth year-over-year. Can you just talk about any kind of competitive response you’re seeing and then maybe what was the similar category growth international your thrombectomy business on the vascular side.

Jason Mills: Yes, I’ll start. Clearly, 50% U.S. growth in thrombectomy is multiples faster than we’ve seen from anywhere else. Internationally is a much smaller base, so the growth percentages can be higher quarter-to-quarter. And it was slightly higher than that this quarter, but it is because of distributor variance, you had a good quarter marginally so, and it’s a smaller number, so the percentages are bigger. But both regions did well.

Michael Sarcone: Okay, thank you.

Adam Elsesser: Thank you.

Operator: Your next question comes from the line of Richard Newitter. Your line is open.

Richard Newitter: I think, Adam, you had made a comment about where you are exiting the year with those – with 1,000 VAC committees working their way through the process and you expect to be through the mall in the first half ‘24. I guess can you flesh that out a little bit about what exactly that means? Is there any kind of quantification or directional color we should be thinking about in terms of growth first half, second half, next year. Just I’m trying to understand, you’re pretty thoughtful about those kinds of comments. So I’m just making sure we’re hearing the messaging correctly around that.

Adam Elsesser: Yes. No, I think it’s really appropriate and great question. There is – let me maybe sort of walk through a little bit about what I did, but also sort of the what does it mean more specifically. So we – what I said is that there is over 650 of those centers got back approval this past quarter, but not – have not yet ordered because they are going through what we – for lack of a better term, we’re calling the typical supply chain process where you work with the supply chain in the hospital to get the product ordered and on the shelf and all that. And so that’s going to happen for the most part, most of those during this quarter. Some might drag a touch, but most will happen this quarter. So once you get it ordered, now we don’t do large stocking orders, some companies have done that over the years, we do very basic, you order one, maybe two and get started.

And then with that, you have success and reorder the product. So we make it pretty straightforward. So it’s not a question of stocking order revenue, it’s really getting going. What I also said, there are two other points. One is there is another 600 – over 600 hospitals that are still in the beginning of that VAC process that haven’t yet had that VAC approval. Once that happens, then they move to that second category that we have to get through the supply chain part and get on to the shelf. Once we’re there, once we’re ordered and able to be used, then our efforts switches in those hospitals to not only having it be used sort of the cases that are obvious. But if you look at – and we track this billing data at every hospital pretty carefully, how many patients are being treated with mechanical thrombectomy versus how many are still being treated with [indiscernible] open surgery depending on the vascular bed.

And that’s where the work really starts and that’s what I was talking about that we’re geared up to do that work, not only on the sales team side, but also through our market access work. So that we can bring this technology deeper into the hospital. And so once you get approved, we don’t expect you to be at the normalized run rate of using our product right away. We think that will continue to grow for a while. And that’s what I was articulating. So this is a journey. This is a process. Again, not to diminish the success we’ve had this quarter, we expect to have next quarter or in ‘24, we’re going to have a lot of success and a lot of growth, we’re just going to see the work continue to build sort of year-over-year for quite a while.

I guess the best way to say it is as we look at the space that thrombus in people’s bodies, whether it’s in the head, all the way through the body or in the toe, we are going to continue to be committed to this space. We are – this is our focus. This is our mission, and we are going to continue to develop those markets to focus on that, and it’s going to take some time, but in the short-term, we’re going to have a lot of success. That’s why I laid out those numbers. Those are not insignificant opportunities this quarter and next. But in the long run, I think it’s going to be much more significant.

Richard Newitter: Okay. Thank you for that. Just lastly, anything with respect to the vascular thrombectomy launches, that is going better or worse in line with your expectations at this point in the launches? Thanks.

Adam Elsesser: Yes, that’s a great question. It’s hard to answer that question. I am a tough critic on our own products. So – but at the same time, I am also a believer in our technology and the engineers that have developed it. So, better or worse it’s hard to necessarily judge. What I will say and I really bring it back to the thing that matter the most to physicians, but mostly in patients is the three things that I highlighted. Safety is first. The product has to be safe. Without that, you run into all kinds of topics and issues and so on. So safety, the safety profile of these products has been extraordinary. And that I think is one of the things that shows up in our data, but also shows up in talking to physicians about it.

The second is speed. No one – everyone in interventional business knows, the longer you are doing something, the worse it is [ph]. It should – the best thing is it works really quickly, and you are done. And the speed profile of these is really unparalleled of anything we have ever done or anything that’s ever been on the market. And then the final point is simplicity. It has to just be easy, simple to use. You put the one product in, you don’t have multiple things or tools. And that’s been something that people have really responded to. So again, that is sort of our mantra, that’s our guide. We want to make it safe. We want to make – have speed and we want to have it simple. And having that baseline now with our current CAVT products and knowing that we can even build on that has given us extraordinary confidence, but also a lot of energy that the next period of time is going to be really rewarding for us.

Operator: And our next question comes from the line of Mike Matson. Your line is open.