Open Text Corporation (NASDAQ:OTEX) Q4 2024 Earnings Call Transcript

Open Text Corporation (NASDAQ:OTEX) Q4 2024 Earnings Call Transcript August 1, 2024

Open Text Corporation misses on earnings expectations. Reported EPS is $0.98 EPS, expectations were $1.05.

Operator: Thank you for standing by. This is the conference operator. Welcome to the OpenText Corporation’s Fourth Quarter Fiscal 2024 Financial Results Conference Call. As a reminder, all participants are in listen-only mode, and the conference is being recorded. After the presentation, there will be an analyst Q&A session. [Operator Instructions] I would now like to turn the conference over to Harry Blount, Senior Vice President, Investor Relations. Please go ahead.

Harry Blount: Good afternoon everyone, and welcome to OpenText’s fourth quarter fiscal 2024 earnings call. With me on the call today are OpenText’s Chief Executive Officer and Chief Technology Officer, Mark J. Barrenechea; and OpenText’s President, Chief Financial Officer and Corporate Development, Madhu Ranganathan. Also joining us are Todd Cione, President Worldwide Sales and Paul Duggan, President and Chief Customer Officer. Today’s call is being webcast live and recorded with a replay, available shortly thereafter on the OpenText Investor Relations website. Earlier today, we posted our press release and investor presentations online. These materials will supplement our prepared remarks and can be accessed on the OpenText Investor Relations website, investors.opentext.com.

I’m pleased to inform you that OpenText management will be participating at the following conferences. The Virtual Oppenheimer Technology, Internet and Communications Conference on August 12; Virtual Morgan Stanley Nasdaq Investor Asia Conference on August 20th and 21st; Deutsche Bank’s Technology Conference on August 29th; and Citi’s Global Technology Conference on September 5th in New York. And now onto our Safe Harbor statement. During this call, we will make forward-looking statements relating to the future performance of OpenText. These statements are based on current expectations, assumptions, and other material factors that are subject to risks and uncertainties and actual results could differ materially from the forward-looking statements made today.

Additional information about the material factors that could cause actual results to differ materially from such forward-looking statements as well as risk factors that may impact future performance results of OpenText are contained in OpenText’s recent Forms 10-K and 10-Q as well as in our press release that was distributed earlier this afternoon, which may be found on our website. We undertake no obligation to update these forward-looking statements unless required to do so by law. In addition, our conference call may include discussions of certain non-GAAP financial measures. Reconciliations of any non-GAAP financial measures to their most directly comparable GAAP measures may be found within our public filings and other materials which are available on our website.

And with that, I’m pleased to hand the call over to Mark.

Mark Barrenechea: Thank you, Harry and thank you all for joining today. We kick off fiscal 2025 with the launch of OpenText 3.0, Information Reimagined. Simply put, our vision is to be the best information management company in the world and our strong belief is that information elevates every individual and organization to be their best. We’re very excited about our market today and the significant opportunities directly in front of us. I’ll speak to our Q4 results and outlook in a moment, but I want to start today’s call by clearly outlining our top priorities. First, build an even stronger competitive advantage with information management, business cloud, business AI and business technology. Competitive advantage is everything and information management is the center of business transformations today, led by data driven decisions, next Gen cloud automation, foundational information security and promising AI.

Titanium X or our Cloud Editions 25.2 is on target for delivery in fiscal 2025. This is our next generation autonomous cloud, strengthening our competitive advantage and the platform for information based transformations. Second, accelerate cloud revenue growth. We delivered 7% cloud revenue growth in fiscal 2024. We’re targeting up to 5% organic cloud growth in fiscal 2025 and with a laser focus on key growth programs, strategic partnerships and Titanium X, we are building to 7% to 9% organic cloud revenue growth in fiscal 2027. I’ll get to our growth programs in a minute. Third, drive upper quartile margins and capture the large margin opportunity we have over the next four to eight quarters. In fiscal 2024, we delivered $2 billion in adjusted EBITDA dollars, or 34%, which included 10 months of ultrahigh AMC adjusted EBITDA and our F 2025 targets are up to 34% with no AMC adjusted EBITDA.

We’re not pausing at 34%. We expect fiscal 2026 to be in the range of 35% to 36%, while investing in innovation, go-to-market and with a higher cloud revenue mix. Our F 2027 targeted adjusted EBITDA range is unchanged at 36% to 38%. Our adjusted EBITDA expansion will be driven by higher revenues, including more SaaS, lower cloud costs, more cloud automation, leveraging AI internally, and locating our great talent in the right places. We have a clear path for accomplishing our margin goals. Fourth, strong and predictable capital allocation. Our capital allocation strategy is expressed as primary allocation and additional allocation. Our primary allocation is to return 50% of trailing twelve-month free cash flows for dividends and buybacks. Our additional allocation of free cash flow, which is continuously assessed, is to allocate our additional capital to the highest return areas across dividends, buybacks, debt reduction or M&A.

We delivered free cash flows of $808 million in fiscal 2024 23% year-over-year growth. In fiscal 2025, our free cash flow is expected to grow mid-to-high single-digit excluding our one-time tax payment from the AMC divestiture gain. Our fiscal 2027 free cash flow aspirations remain unchanged at $1.2 billion to $1.3 billion. As our free cash flows expand, so does our capital flexibility and return. In fiscal 2024, we returned $417 million to shareholders or 52% of our free cash flow. In fiscal 2025, we plan to return $570 million plus. This is over 90% of F 2025 free cash flows allocated to dividends and share repurchases because we believe this is of the highest return. In support of this plan, we announced today a new and increased NCIB program in the amount of $300 million in share repurchases, and we’re also raising our annualized dividend from $1 per share to $1.05 per share or 5% rate increase.

By the end of fiscal 2025, we will have returned approximately $3 billion over the last decade, including expected $1 billion return in F 2024 and F 2025 combined. We see four outcomes from these priorities; stronger competitive advantage and cloud growth, value creation for our shareholders, an elevated bar with higher goals and for the next three years we expect to grow annually, adjusted EBITDA, adjusted EPS, free cash flow and our return of capital. The leadership team and company are focused on the fiscal year ahead, fiscal 2025 delivering to our exciting future and implementing programs that lead to higher performance. Let me go a little deeper and speak about our talent, key growth drivers and cloud momentum. Highest performance begins and ends with our talent of living the OpenText business system with a relentless focus on execution.

An OpenTexter always puts customers first, innovates, cares about people, helped teams succeed, and strive for exceptional performance. We start here because great people make great software companies and we’re attracting or retaining the next generation of great talent. We’re a global and diverse organization. The majority of the company’s talent is now Gen Y and Z and 90% of our employees are outside of Canada and our employee retention rates are at a record high of 92% plus. Today we published our Annual Corporate Citizenship Report. We believe in being a responsible and responsive company to the environment, to the communities we work and live in, and that diversity and inclusion of people and ideas are essential to innovation. Our Annual Corporate Citizen Report reflects our commitment with a practical and impactful mindset to all our stakeholders.

Our leadership team is the strongest ever been. We have Todd Cione joining us today, President of Worldwide Sales. We have Paul Duggan joining us today, President and Chief Customer Officer. We have Madhu Ranganathan, of course, our President, CFO and Head of Corporate Development joining us today. Muhi Majzoub, our Chief Product Officer; Sandy Ono, Chief Marketing Officer; Shannon Bell recently joined us as CDO and CIO and the rest of our highly skilled and expert team. We have the talent and next generation mindset to be the best information management company in the world and to create a powerful future. In fiscal 2024, we delivered $5.77 billion in revenues or 29% year-over-year growth, including positive organic growth. Our cloud revenues were $1.8 billion or 7% year-over-year growth.

For fiscal 2025, our cloud revenue outlook is up to 5% organic growth and total revenues between $5.3 billion to $5.4 billion or constant to 1% organic growth ex-AMC. What supports our cloud revenue growth are new bookings built on the foundation of strong renewal rates and consumption expansion. Paul will speak a bit about this. In fiscal 2024, we signed the largest cloud contracts in our history. Our cloud renewal rate was in the low 90s and we delivered $701 million of new cloud bookings or 33% year-over-year growth. Our cloud momentum continues as we expect to grow bookings 25% in fiscal 2025, higher than our previous target. On accelerating cloud revenue growth, here are the key drivers for us in fiscal 2025. Our first is just driving expansion of our business clouds led by content, business network and ITOM.

Customers are deeply focused on reimagining knowledge [ph] workers, consolidating their digital cores and operations, deeper value and resiliency from their supply chains, attaching new SaaS services to existing workloads. We’re continuing to invest in trust, global security, compliance, and industry certifications across many industries; financial services, pharma, biotech, healthcare, government and more. Customers are beginning to seek alternatives after the recent global security events. Our partner ecosystem expansion with Microsoft, Google, SAP, Salesforce and stronger and richer Aviator and AI use cases also lower cost in AI and spending in time to value with ease. For example, we’re working with Robert Bosch North America to help them use Aviators to connect with their data sets in whole new ways.

Cloud growth, stronger execution with unified sales and field organization, higher renewal rates driven by digital renewals and expanded services and you’ll hear from Todd and Paul as I said just in a moment. Let me provide a few remarks on Q4 results and Q1 outlook. I’m extremely proud of what our team delivered in fiscal 2024 for the long-term success of our business. On Q4 let me summarize our financial results and Madhu will provide further detail. Total revenues were $1.36 billion. Ex-AMC total revenue was down 4%, centered on license. Cloud grew 3%. Strong free cash flows of $145 million are up 59%. We repurchased 150 million of our shares for cancellation at an average price of $29.57. We delivered $445 million of adjusted EBITDA dollars with strong operations and we had significant customer wins in content, in AI, Nestle and BN in AI Johnson & Johnson, an ITOM six-sensor intelligence and ADM California EDD, an experienced Sutter Health.

Let me highlight two important dynamics in Q four. First, our license to cloud transition continues and you see this in our Q4 financial results. With cloud and free cash flow that are up and licensed down, we had great cost optimization in the quarter. Second, we had two strategic corporate programs within the quarter that required significant corporate attention, the divestiture of the AMC business and the business optimization planning. These strategic programs will have positive impact in fiscal 2025 and beyond, but impacted Q4. To recap, the two strategic programs that we have now concluded, closing the AMC divestiture, transitioning 750 employees, operationalizing a transition service agreement, separating out our systems and data, and discussing the transaction with thousands of customers.

This was a large divestiture and the company’s first and the team executed incredibly well. Second strategic corporate program was completing the business optimization which required precise strategic talent planning and affected about 5% of our workforce. All the planning took place in Q4 and the team executed extremely well. On Q1 outlook, we’re excited about the start of the new fiscal year. OpenText 3.0 launch, our healthy pipeline. Our strategic corporate program is complete behind us, Titanium X and our new leadership team are ready to go. And to reiterate, we manage our business annually in quarters will vary. Q1 outlook has a path to growth and margin expansion. We’re expecting revenues between $1.25 billion to $1.3 billion. At the higher end of our range, we are growing year-over-year ex-AMC.

Our adjusted EBITDA range between 32% to 33%. Our adjusted EBITDA dollars are expected to grow year-over-year ex-AMC. Let me wrap up with a few final thoughts. We’re proud of what we accomplished in fiscal 2024 29% total growth, 7% cloud growth, organic growth, $2 billion in adjusted EBITDA, and $417 million of capital returned to shareholders. Information management competitive advantage is everything and with Titanium X, Aviators, Security, our competitive advantage grows stronger. We are excited about fiscal 2025 focused on delivering to our annual targets, focused on building shareholder value through cloud growth, margin expansion and the strongest capital return in our corporate history. We’ll keep you updated on our primary and supporting metrics throughout the year.

The operational improvements we deliver in fiscal 2025 will put us in a position to raise the bar in fiscal 2026. And again, I want to emphasize, for the next three years, year-over-year, we expect to grow annually adjusted EBITDA, adjusted EPS, free cash flow and our capital return. We thank our shareholders for their feedback and continued input. We’ve listened and we believe this is a strong plan to deliver value to you and to all our stakeholders. A huge thank you to my colleagues and fellow OpenTexters for the amazing talents and contributions and to our customers for placing your trust in OpenText and may the one that brings peace bring peace for all. Let me hand the call over to Todd Cione, OpenText President of Worldwide Sales. Todd, welcome.

Todd Cione: Thank you, Mark. I am excited and grateful to be a part of the OpenText team. Over my first hundred days in the company, I’ve worked to bring my learnings and experiences from 30 years in the technology industry at Microsoft, Oracle, Apple and a few others to contribute to OpenText 3.0. And I’ve immediately prioritized my time to connect with, learn from and execute alongside of our team, our customers and our partners. And it’s these early relationships and experiences that directly shaped our F 2025 plan with our worldwide sales team and that plan is launched and it’s actually being executed right now. Let me outline our priorities in that plan, including what’s different. First and most importantly, my top priority is people.

I’m a believer that there’s a direct correlation between great people and great results. We have a very strong foundation of people and it’s my ambition to build the highest performing and most efficient sales force in the world and for the best information management company in the world. We’ve already made several changes in the sales force that are now complete and we’re off to a fast start. We now have one unified worldwide sales team with continued global coverage and this means we have an aligned approach globally to everything that we’re doing, while we still enable flexibility to serve our customers locally. We’ve also moved quickly to attract new and elevate existing talent within worldwide sales. We’re attracting outstanding sales talent, who have proven backgrounds at leading technology companies like Apple, Tricentis, Microsoft and Salesforce.

I’ve worked previously with many and there’s more to come. With the broader sales team we’re building a structured approach to refine the consistent and modern commercial capabilities needed to win in this dynamic marketplace of cloud, AI and security and we’ve doubled down on our business cloud specialization within the worldwide sales force. I fully expect the outcome of these people efforts to directly contribute to improved sales force productivity in F 2025. Second, as Mark highlighted, an OpenText always puts customers first and for our worldwide sales team, earning the trust of our customers is a priority. This includes how we segment the marketplace to ensure we deploy the right resources to the right customer exactly at the right time.

Our largest customers we consider strategic accounts, and for these accounts we’ve invested in global account directors to manage the holistic OpenText relationship. The enterprise business is essentially the global 10,000 and it’s a very heavy focus for us. We’re making progress on serving the midmarket with a modernized and important inside sales force, and the SMB and consumer businesses are served very heavily through partnerships and digital channels. Now, regardless of the market segment, make no mistake that it’s our intent to provide a clear and compelling value proposition to our customers. We have industry-leading technology in our business clouds, and as our customers are increasingly interested in reinventing knowledge, work, resilient supply chains, engaging with their data in new ways, being more secure, moving workloads to the cloud and having machines do the work via AI and automation.

Our specialized worldwide sales force will translate our technology into value directly aligned to customer business priorities. And we’re scaling this right now and we have some outstanding customers. As an example, while in Europe recently I met with Carsten Trapp, the CIO of Zeiss Group, a leading global high-tech manufacturer. Carsten is relying on the value of our OpenText business cloud to modernize Zeiss’ processes, and he highlighted this in an article published in CIO Magazine just last week. Partnerships also like SAP, Microsoft, Google and others, will play an increasingly important role in how we support all of our customers. The outcome of these customer focused efforts will directly contribute to our accelerated growth in fiscal 2025.

Third and lastly, rigor is a priority for worldwide sales. This means bringing fundamentals and modern innovation to our commercial strategy, processes into our tools, all to support our worldwide sales force. Now, with the Olympics ongoing right now, I think a sports analogy might be appropriate. The U.S. men’s college basketball coach with the most national championships in history is John Wooden. And Coach Wooden once said, I believe in the basics, attention to and perfection of tiny details that might commonly be overlooked. They are the difference between champions and near champions. I totally agree with Coach Wooden and I believe this philosophy directly applies to sales. We are committed to being brilliant at the basics and refining how we manage our business, how we empower and support our sellers, and how we deliver compelling value propositions to our customers.

We’re also committed to innovating in our sales motions. And as an example, we’ve already launched projects to leverage OpenText AI internally to support RFP responses and proposal generation, and we have an exciting lineup of additional internal innovations to be launched this year. The outcome of this commitment to rigor will directly boost sales force productivity and predictability in F 2025. Now in closing, these priorities of people, customers and rigor for our unified worldwide sales force make the foundation of our F 2025 plan. And as I’ve mentioned, this plan is already being executed now and we’ve started fast. I couldn’t be more excited about the journey ahead in F 2025 and beyond with this team to accelerate OpenText 3.0 in the marketplace.

Now I’m going to hand the call over to my colleague, Paul Duggan. Over to you Paul.

Paul Duggan: Todd, thank you. I’m thrilled to be joining the call today to provide an update on the renewals business at OpenText. Today I’ll address two areas F 2024 update, including Micro Focus and our key priorities in the year ahead for F 2025. Let’s start with F 2024. As Mark noted in his opening remarks, renewal performance is the foundation on which we build growth. And there’s no question OpenText has a long history of predictable and sustained performance despite some of the world’s most disruptive events over the past decade. F 2024 was no exception. Our renewal rates finished at 95% for off-cloud and 92% for cloud, excluding Micro Focus. And on that note, I’d like to briefly make two comments on metrics. First, renewal rates are a primary instrument in any recurring revenue business.

There are also different variants of this rate. On our cloud business, we have been publishing a gross renewal rate or GRR, which does not include any expansion or upsell on those renewals. In F 2025, we intend to publish net renewal rates or NRR, which aligns better when large cloud vendors approaches. This will capture insight into consumption and expansion and give you a more complete view of our performance. Factoring in these dynamics will highlight rates that are even stronger. For example, had we applied this methodology in Q4, the cloud renewal rate would have been in the mid-to-high 90s. Second, we have other primary instruments beyond renewal rates. These include on time renewal rates, annual price adjustments, cancellations and past due rates.

Taken together, these metrics tell a story about the motion of the business and over time, if they’re in the green and in agreement with each other, then one can expect continued strength. And I’m pleased to say that that is the profile we saw in F 2024 and during our fourth quarter. On our Micro Focus off-cloud renewal business, our top priority remains unlocking new value. F 2024 was all about the rapid execution of our standards and programs, and we did this very well. As we end the year, the Micro Focus renewal rate was at a record high into the high 80s as we planned. Our sights are set on moving into the 90s in F 2025. The path there is laser focusing on the next set of products that have a meaningful install base and a renewal rate below our standard, then prioritizing the product roadmap, support programs and sales plays that influence renewal decision factors.

This is our proven OpenText playbook for lifting renewal rates. We did it with Documentum and we’re doing it with Micro Focus. It’s already lifted us from the low 80s to the mid-to-high 80s and will ultimately lift us into the 90s. As you’ve heard from Mark and Todd, F 2025 it’s all about growth and expansion. F 2024 was a record year for incremental bookings in our cloud business and we expect this to continue in F 2025. For off-cloud we added new offerings like premium support last year and we expect this to grow in the year ahead as well. In terms of what’s new, two things. First, we formed a new digital renewal center July 1. This is a strategic segmentation model and structure that brings together all customers, cloud, off-cloud and all product areas at a specific spending level and is focused on our mission of automation and self-service.

This will unburden the rest of the team from transactional work and allow us to reinvest that time and energy into growth programs in the middle and top spend segments. Second, we launched new cloud success service tiers in July. These tiers give all customers access to our digital assets through a portal starting at our standard level, success plan templates, best practice documents and checklists. Then the fee-based option to move to higher tier levels; Premier and Signature, which add dedicated customer success managers, workshops and technical success management. We’ve already closed several deals in the run up to the launch and we’re very excited about the new cloud revenue opportunities this program brings forward. So in summary, F 2024 was a strong year for renewals.

We have confidence in F 2025 and a clear plan we are already executing. This will give us the platform to raise the bar even further into F 2026. I always like to close by saying thank you to our customers. We know your trust is earned and not given and we are committed to delivering on the promises we make to you every day. And with that, I will hand the call over to Madhu. Madhu Ranganathan Thank you, Paul and thank you all for joining us today. During Q4 we executed very well on our operational efficiencies. Today we’re expanding our margin targets for fiscal 2025 and providing insights into adjusted EBITDA for fiscal 2026. Please refer to our press release. Two sets of IR materials; first, the financial results and fiscal 2025 targets, and second business overview, as well as our Form 10-K that was filed today.

We have simplified our investor relations materials and you will see that as you read through all the information. So let me walk through the financial results on an as reported basis unless stated otherwise, starting with Q4. Q4 cloud revenue was $464.9 million, up 2.9% as well as 3.3% in constant currency. Our enterprise cloud booking was $179.8 million or 10.3% year-over-year growth. ARR, annual recurring revenue of $1.093 billion, down 5.5% and 5.2% in constant currency and represents approximately 80.3% of total revenue compared to 77.6% of total revenue in the year ago quarter, primarily due to AMC divestiture. Q4 total revenue of $1.36 billion was down 8.6% and 8.3% in constant currency, primarily due to the AMC divestiture and lower license revenue offset by growth in cloud services.

Our Q4 results reflect continued customer adoption of the cloud. And moving to other financial metrics, GAAP net income was $248.2 million or $0.91 diluted EPS inclusive of a gain of $429 million from the AMC divestiture. GAAP gross margin of 72.5% was up from 71.4% year-over-year and reflects operational improvements in cloud and professional services as well as a reduction of amortization related to the divestiture of AMC. Non-GAAP gross margin of 76.4% compared to 76.9%. Non-GAAP cloud gross margin at 62.8% was the highest during the fourth quarter as we saw efficiencies in cloud deployments driven by our cloud investments. Adjusted EBITDA of $445.4 million or 32.7% reflects the operational efficiency during the quarter inclusive of bringing Micro Focus to our upper quartile adjusted EBITDA model.

Non-GAAP diluted EPS was $0.98, up 7.7% and 8.8% in constant currency. Our overall working capital performance remains strong with our DSOs at 43 days and improvement of two days from 45 days in Q3. Now Micro Focus is fully on our working capital model. We generated $185.2 million in operating cash flows and $145.2 million free cash flows in the quarter. For full year fiscal 2024 on a year-over-year basis, our cloud revenue was $1.82 billion, up 7.1% as well as 6.8% in constant currency. Our enterprise cloud business delivered strong annual bookings of $701.4 million, up 32.9% year-over-year. ARR annual recurring revenue of $4.53 billion was up 25.4% and 24.6% in constant currency and represents approximately 78.6% of total revenue compared to 80.6% in the prior year.

Total revenue of $5.77 billion, up 28.6% and 27.7% in constant currency. With respect to Micro Focus, we had an excellent year of execution from our sales, products and renewals team to turn around a declining business. We met our plan for fiscal 2024. In other financial metrics for the year, GAAP net income was $465.1 million or $1.71 per share inclusive of the gain on AMC divestiture of $429 million. GAAP gross margin of 72.6% was up from 70.6% and reflects reduced amortization and AMC intangibles from the divestiture. Non-GAAP gross margin of 77.3% was up from 76.1% and reflects improvements in professional services margins. Adjusted EBITDA of $1.97 billion a year over increase in dollars of 33.8% and 31.6% in constant currency. Our adjusted EBITDA margin was 34.1%, up from 32.8% year-over-year as we continue to drive operational efficiencies across the organization.

Non-GAAP EPS was $4.17 up 26.7% and 24% constant currency. We generated $968 million in operating cash flows and $808 million free cash flows for the fiscal year. Turning to outlook, starting on Slide 11 of our financial results and targets presentation, let me speak to Q1 fiscal 2025 quarterly factors. We expect $1.25 billion to $1.30 billion of total revenue. ARR of $1.04 billion to $1.07 billion. We expect adjusted EBITDA margin between 32% and 33%. We are presenting a fiscal 2025 model today on Slide 12 of our financial results and target presentation. We are reaffirming our preliminary targets shared in May while increasing the targets for enterprise cloud bookings and adjusted EBITDA, cloud revenue of $1.85 billion to $1.9, annual recurring revenue of $4.25 billion to $4.3 billion, our license revenue excluding AMC at constant to fiscal 2024 plus or minus 1%.

Total revenue is between $5.3 billion to $5.4 billion. Total revenue growth of constant to 1% excluding AMC. Our enterprise cloud booking is growing at 25%. Note this is an increase from our preliminary target of 20% plus. We’re increasing our adjusted EBITDA margin range to 33% to 34%, up from our preliminary range of 32% to 33%. We have updated our preliminary targets on free cash flows to a range of $575 million to $625 million to reflect special charges related to our business optimization plan. As you may recall, we will record the one-time tax payment on AMC gain of approximately $250 million in our fiscal 2025 cash flows. This relates to the proceeds of $2.275 billion from the AMC divestiture. This tax payment will be a Q1 cash outflow.

Excluding the tax payment, we expect to grow free cash flows mid-to-high single digits during fiscal 2025. And now let me expand on the growth of adjusted EBITDA during fiscal 2025 and 2026. We have programs and projects to deploy and we made incredible progress in our fourth quarter where ex-AMC our operating expenses were lower year-over-year by approximately $100 million across all functional areas. Early July, we announced a business optimization plan that is now allowing us to expand adjusted EBITDA to 33% to 34% by 100 basis points in fiscal 2025. Also, fiscal 2025 includes additional 800 new hires in sales and services as further investment into the business. During the fourth quarter, non-GAAP cloud gross margin was 62.8%, 310 basis points higher compared to Q3.

For the full year fiscal 2025 we are modeling a constant level of hyperscale costs, giving us non-GAAP cloud gross margins in the low 60s. Lastly, during fiscal 2025, we will complete the simplification pieces of the G&A integration such as legal entities rationalization, which will also provide cost savings. Higher EBITDA of 35% to 36% in fiscal 2026 will build upon the key drivers Mark outlined in his remarks. Higher revenues, lower cloud cost, more automation and leveraging AI internally, also locating our great talent in the right places. Our fiscal 2025 and 2026 progress will set us up well to meet our fiscal 2027 aspirations of 36% to 38% adjusted EBITDA and $1.2 billion to $1.3 billion free cash flows. The higher EBITDA will support free cash flow growth given the strides we’ve made on working capital and CapEx efficiencies.

Turning to the dividend program, on July 31, the Board of Directors also approved a quarterly cash dividend of 0.2625 per common share. The record date for the next quarterly dividend is August 30, 2024, and the payment date is September 20, 2024. As you heard from Mark, Todd and Paul today, we are focused on delivering a strong fiscal 2025 through competitive differentiation, cloud growth, margin expansion and the strongest year of capital return in our history. We remain well positioned to meet our targets and aspirations. To all the OpenText team members, thank you for your incredible efforts during fiscal 2024 and here’s to a great fiscal 2025. On behalf of OpenText, I would like to thank our shareholders, our loyal customers and partners for your continued support.

I will now request the operator to open the call to questions. Operator?

Operator: Thank you. [Operator Instructions] First question comes from Raimo Lenschow with Barclays. Please go ahead.

Q&A Session

Raimo Lenschow: Thank you for the detailed outlook from you guys. Congratulations and I’m looking forward to an exciting future. Could we just spend a minute on Q4 and try to dissect that? Because obviously I listened to your comments, that there was some level of disruption. You also had the license to cloud migration, which is impacting numbers. Could you help us understand a little bit how much of what we saw in Q4, especially on the license side, was macro related versus kind of internal things that, kind of impacted the quarter? And then I had one follow-up.

Mark Barrenechea: Yes, sounds great, Raimo. Thanks for the question Mark here. No, it’s not macro related. As we noted in our remarks, it’s our continued license to cloud transition. We’re an annual business as well, so quarters will vary. We note that our cloud is up. We had strong free cash flow. Our operations were just stellar in Q4, but the two strategic programs were very unique for us. The first is the divestiture and I know the world sees a press release that we’ve divested our mainframe business, but the work was strategic, concluded in the quarter, but we had to transition near 800 employees. We had to split out systems, transition service agreements and we had our sales force, NPS force, talking to a lot of customers because they’re mutual customers and that had an impact.

We also took our managers and our leaders and did very detailed business optimization planning. The execution is complete and was complete in early July. But this is all towards a stronger open tax and a stronger F 2025. And so it’s on us, it’s not on the macro, it’s complete. And as we look here into the year, as Madhu highlighted, we think the license business will be constant plus or minus 1% organic cloud up 5% this year and up to 34% adjusted EBITDA in 2025, up to 36% in 2026 and up to 38% in fiscal 2027.

Raimo Lenschow: Yes, perfect. Thank you. And on that, if you think about those, the margin progression you outlined for the coming years, like how much of that is kind of efficiency gains that you can still drive forward versus like just growing revenue on a kind of controlled cost base that is driving that forward? Thank you.

Mark Barrenechea: Yes, just a small point. It’s over the next, really four to eight quarters. So that coming year. So, yes, so look, there’s no doubt that we’re going to, just to recap, in 2025, we’re looking up to 34% adjusted EBITDA, in 2026 up to 36%, and in fiscal 2027 up to 38%. So we’re not resting at all. I mean, we’re running right through the numbers. How do we get there? There’s no doubt that higher revenues are going to help continued talent, design and location balancing. We have opportunities to improve cloud margin. Titanium X, we have some incredible autonomous features that are going to let the machines do the work and not the humans. And the machines are less expensive, if you will. We’ve deployed our first versions of AI as Todd talked about.

We have our sales force responding to RFPs, customer requirements, tech support as well, which will drive down costs. And most notably, we’re going to be adding more SaaS workloads that are at higher margin. So it’s a collection of things that will rise us back into the high 30s, which we’ve historically operated in, and we see a clear path to getting back to even in larger scale and even with a higher cloud mixed.

Raimo Lenschow: Okay, perfect. Thank you. Well done.

Operator: The next question comes from Steven Enders with Citi. Please go ahead.

George Kurosawa: Hey, this is George Kurosawa on for Steve. Maybe just to start with on macro, I know you described that there wasn’t really macro impact, but maybe just under the hood, if the aggregate environment was stable, were there any kind of sub areas within your portfolio where you saw relatively stronger, weaker, anything kind of moving up or down the priority stack?

Mark Barrenechea: Yes, sounds great. Welcome, George. A couple comments from us. As you go through our IR materials, as Madhu noted, the team has done a fantastic job simplifying the materials. You’ll also see in the materials we’re showing AMC revenues. So when we start to speak about ex-AMC in comparisons, it’s just very clear. You’ll see the materials, we also, on an annual basis show by our business area the percent of revenue. You’ll see the strength in content. Our content business is going incredibly strong. I looked into the content business network and ITOM, I believe are going to be standouts for us on that up to 5% cloud organic growth. Look, we all read the same reports and we factor this into our outlook for the year.

I mean, the IMS got a great report out in July that talks about GDP for advanced economies around 2% Europe sub 1%. But we have factored this all in and to the extent the lights become greener, our path is even more upward than what we’re presenting for fiscal 2025.

George Kurosawa: Okay, great. And then just a follow-up on kind of cloud booking strength kind of. And how that translates over to revenue? I think last quarter you mentioned this phenomenon with kind of ramping deals and that maybe pushing out revenue recognition. How did that kind of trend in this quarter and any updated thoughts there?

Mark Barrenechea: Yes, I would say it’s consistent sort of quarter-over-quarter, were more awareness. I think we’re going to improve on it quite candidly. But we ended the year at 33% bookings growth and translating into what our renewal rates plus new bookings up to 5% cloud organic growth in 2025. We’ve upped our bookings target to 25% here in the quarter. We’ll update along the way. But we’re pleased coming out of the gate in Q1 at 25% bookings growth and up to 5% organic. Todd, anything you want to add to that?

Todd Cione: No, we’re just excited about executing the F-2025 plan. We have a healthy pipeline and we’ve started fast.

George Kurosawa: Got it.

Todd Cione: Right on. Thank you, George.

George Kurosawa: Thanks for taking the questions.

Operator: The next question comes from Thanos Moschopoulos with BMO Capital Markets. Please go ahead.

Thanos Moschopoulos: Hi, good afternoon, Mark giving your comments on your plans for capital return over the upcoming year, should we take that to mean that you’ll be putting M&D into a bit of a backseat, relatively speaking? Wrong interpretation.

Mark Barrenechea: Yes, Thanos, thanks for the question. Well, I’ll start with it’s all about the highest return of capital. And as we look into F-2025 right now we’re buying our stock or said a little differently, we’re buying ourselves. And that’s of the highest return you’ll see in our investor materials. M&A remains a part of our strategy, but heading into F-2025, we’re focused on cloud organic growth, capturing large margin opportunity that we outlined and delivering to our shareholders the largest capital return in our history and that’s our focus. M&A will remain a part of our strategy. We’ll assess how to deploy that additional capital. We’ve assessed it coming into the year, and to a degree we’re buying ourselves, so I’d include that in M&A strategy as well.

Thanos Moschopoulos: Great. And can you give us maybe more color in terms of what you’re seeing with aviator and just generally customer interest in content management to set the stage for subsequent AI? I guess the feedback from a lot in the industry has been that there’s a lot of experimentation, pilots happening, not a lot as far as large scale deployments. Is that consistent with what you’re seeing right now?

Mark Barrenechea: Yes, it’s going to be steady progress. It’s going to be steady. Then we’re going to see a step up. There is no doubt that this technology and approach is adding value. And we’re engaged literally in hundreds of discussions around AI, hundreds of discussions, and it’s helping us win. You’re seeing this reflected in our strength for cloud bookings, in our confidence, in our getting to high single digit organic cloud revenue growth. And the costs are coming down, the time to value is coming down. The use cases are getting crisper. And if you look at the evolution of content management, first you digitize things and we put them into folders. We then were able to search, then we got to be able to exchange that outside of firewalls.

Then it moved to the cloud. And now that next evolution of knowledge workers is about engaging with that content in whole new ways. So we’re making progress, we’re driving down costs, we got more use cases, we’re embedding it more, we’re engaged in more conversations, and we have customers speaking with us, Nestle and their content and AI Johnson & Johnson in the supply chain, Robert Bosch, North America engaging in their content platform. I think the strength will come from content, it will come from the business network and it will come from ITOM. And that’s where the next wave that we see. But it’s going to be steady progress, more use cases, and then there will be some inflection point where steps up, but it continues to be very real.

Thanos Moschopoulos: Great. That’s helpful, thanks.

Operator: The next question comes from Samad Samana with Jefferies. Please go ahead.

Samad Samana: Hi, good evening. Thanks for taking my questions. So maybe first, Mark just since you mentioned it, my ears perked up a little bit. You talked about a global outage. You didn’t mention the specific vendors. So I won’t do that either. But you said that it’s leading people to seek alternatives. So can you maybe help us understand, is that something specific to OpenText where it’s driving alternatives as in business for you or is that just you thinking through? But the consequences are help us understand what you mean by that?

Mark Barrenechea: Yes, I mean the outage may be over, but the impact is not. Our cloud was unaffected, our company was unaffected by, and I’m not here to throw names so I won’t. And we weren’t affected because we use our own software and we deploy best practices. And so conversations are beginning around what are the alternatives to that particular vendor in their lack of quality, their lack of process, technology deficiencies. And top of the stack for us coming into the year on the product side is content BN, ITOM and driving security across everything we do, driving AI across everything we do. So yes, it’s beginning to drive new conversations on with RAEs on our security portfolio.

Samad Samana: Interesting. Thanks for sharing on that. And then as I think about the up to 5% cloud revenue growth, when you think about the — if you could give us some guardrails around that with the building blocks. And what I’m trying to ask is, when you think about that net retention number versus call it like new products being introduced versus I guess again pumping the prime inside of the base and bookings that you’ve already gotten this year, how should we think about where that range lands? What’s the biggest flex factor in there that gets you to that 5% number or somewhere below it?

Mark Barrenechea: Yes. So, up to 5% organic growth and driving towards high single digit by 2027. So we’re not resting in the up to 5% organic. So let me highlight a couple things on the renewal rate and maybe Todd a little bit about what he’s seeing in the field. The first is just driving expansion of our business clouds. And again, our content business network and ITOM business are going to lead the way. Customers can see this reinvention the reimagining of knowledge workers. Second is with Titanium and Titanium X, the main driver is our SaaS portfolio. And adding more SaaS to off cloud workloads or existing private cloud workloads or just independent SaaS deployments are going to be incredibly helpful. We got partner system, partner ecosystem expansion.

We’re working at new strategic levels with Microsoft, SAP, new relationships with Salesforce, Google of course, and then just driving against security and AI across all that we do. And that’s going to lead us to that higher end of the range that we talked about. Maybe, Paul, a bit on the cloud renewal side and Todd, your views on the field.

Paul Duggan: Yes. Thanks, Mark. I guess let me first say again, our gross renewal rate for the cloud really understates the strength of the business performance that we have. So for that reason, now that we have a scaled cloud, we’re moving to this industry standard of using NRR. And through that lens again in Q4, we’d be in the mid to high 90s. Let me tell you about how we expand on the renewal side. So our strategy there is really three pronged, our pricing policies and controls to raising commitments for our consumption based renewals and three adding new services like the customer success and premium support offerings I mentioned. So those strategies drive significant expansion on rules and are in addition to actually large numbers of lead paths, opportunities that we do as well for cross sell, opportunities that flow into Todd’s team.

So it’s going to give you a better representation of the business performance in that foundation that Mark talked about, that on which we build the growth. And then with my partner here, Todd will build.

Todd Cione: Yes, Paul, you had me at cross-sell. That’s a big opportunity and something we’re executing right now across our specialized by business cloud sales tforce. So we have great customers who depend on our content business, who depend on business networks, on ITOM and our cybersecurity business. And we have a great opportunity to cross sell and we’ve launched programs to be able to accelerate that now in F 2025 and I think the pipeline reflects it.

Samad Samana: Very good. I appreciate the comprehensive answer, everybody. Thank you.

Mark Barrenechea: Thank you.

Madhu Ranganathan: Thank you.

Operator: The next question comes from Paul Treiber with RBC Capital Markets. Please go ahead.

Paul Treiber: Thanks very much and good afternoon. Firstly, just a clarification question, just in light of the revised capital allocation strategy or the more flexibility there, there’s no change in the 2027 revenue aspirations, which implies that that’s organic. Is that the case? And that you’re not assuming acquisitions to make those targets?

Mark Barrenechea: Paul, you broke up a little bit, so I couldn’t hear it fully.

Madhu Ranganathan: Yes. When you mentioned, Paul, this is Madhu here, the F 2027 could you just repeat that part of the question?

Paul Treiber: Is the F-2027 aspersions, is that purely organic? And could you confirm it doesn’t include acquisitions?

Mark Barrenechea: Yes. So again, I’ve stated our F-2025 strategy, right. And the F-2027 number is always to revenue. Over the next three years, it’s always to revenue. And we have many paths to get there. But, Paul, be very clear in 2025 that we are focused on the highest return of capital, which is returning up to $570 million this year, or 90% of our free cash flows, and driving up the 5% cloud organic growth and accelerating that into the high single digit. So is there some M&A in the 2027 number? There’s probably some. There could be some small M&A in the 2027 number, but that’s not the focus at all. Right. It’s not the focus at all. Our focus is driving our 2025 cloud organic growth, continuing that expansion rate. And obviously in the model, the vast majority of fiscal 2027 would be organic. So I think that’s the best way to answer it.

Paul Treiber: Okay. Thanks for that second question.

Mark Barrenechea: Is that clear? I mean, is there anything to, to play back? Is that clear? Is 2025 clear?

Paul Treiber: Yes, definitely clear.

Mark Barrenechea: Okay. I just want to make sure, so…

Paul Treiber: The second question, and just with the focus on return metrics that you’ve emphasized with the capital allocation, how should we think about, and maybe I need to wait for the circular, but how should we think about like, incentives for management compensation, would it also align or incorporate more return metrics?

Mark Barrenechea: You’ll see the plan. We’re actually making four disclosures in the CD&A. We’ve listened intently to our shareholders. The committee and the board has listened intently. The talent and comp committee and the board have made a, we’re making four disclosures as to advancements in our comp program. You’ll see it in the CD&A. The standard approach to attracting senior talent is based on revenue and margin. Right. And so you’ll see revenue and margin and our annual compensation, and then longer term compensation is tied to getting the stock up as benchmarked to the NASDAQ.

Paul Treiber: Thanks for taking the questions.

Mark Barrenechea: Yep.

Madhu Ranganathan: Thank you, Paul.

Operator: The next question comes from Stephanie Price with CIBC. Please go ahead.

Stephanie Price: Hi, good evening. Thank you for the additional disclosure with the quarter. Madhu, may be this one for you. I noticed in the PowerPoint that overall constant currency organic growth was roughly spot in fiscal 2024. And you do mention that Micro Focus had organic growth during the year. Could you give us a little bit more color on Micro Focus here? And maybe also just excluding AMC and how we should think about organic growth at Micro Focus post the AMC divestiture.

Madhu Ranganathan: Yes. So I would say let’s recall back to where we had set the micro focus baseline at $2.3 billion. And vis-à-vis that given the renewal rate performance in fiscal 2024 for the entire year, we did organically grow Micro Focus, we met our plan. I think the ex-AMC, including AMC, what I will say is that we had the AMC assets for 10 months. It’s not like we had the AMC asset for two months. So I think it’s important to measure Micro Focus organic growth at the end of June 2024 more holistically as Micro Focus, including AMC. And we actually not only brought down the declining rates in many different product lines and portfolios, we also did very well with the AMC business. So yes, putting all of that together, Stephanie, we did meet our plan for Micro Focus organic growth.

Stephanie Price: Great to hear, okay. And then maybe I guess another one actually from you Madhu, just on the restructuring that you announced a few weeks ago, can you talk a little bit about the areas where the cost savings are coming from and how you think about the timing there? I think we might have calculated a slightly higher margin benefit. So just wondering if you can walk through, is the reinvestment along with the restructuring as well?

Madhu Ranganathan: Yes, so a couple of things. One is, and I let Mark take a part of the question as well. So where did it come from? Again, think of this as continued efficiencies in talent, talent structure, regions, right as Mark mentioned, placing a talent in the right regions where a lot of talent exists. And the cost differential is really meaningful for us from a cost structure and profitability perspective and certainly took a look at layers of management. At all levels and that was part of the restructuring as well. Now to the question of why not more EBITDA expansion of the energy structure, one comment I’ll share, which was in our Form 8-K is in Todd’s area as well as in Paul’s. We are going to be investing in 800 positions and we’re going to be investing earlier in the year to benefit fiscal 2025 and going into 2026, and that’s 800 positions in sales and services.

So with all of that investment and the restructuring, which again we did in early part of July to benefit the entire year, we are able to, on a net basis increase EBITDA by 100 basis points. Mark, did you want to share any thoughts?

Mark Barrenechea: Yes, Stephanie, I would just add one piece, read your report and thank you for the report. We kind of viewed the starting point a little different than you do, which is when you look at Micro Focus and you take out AMC, their adjusted EBITDA profile is extremely low 30s. So your starting point is lower and I think you need to factor that in when you look at our target for fiscal 2025, up to 34%. So you have to have to go, what’s your starting point? So I think when you look at Micro Focus ex-AMC, their adjusted EBITDA starting point is very low 30s. So the step up is a little higher. So plus all the investments and good things that Madhu has talked about, so up to 34% in 2025, up to 36% in 2026 and up to 38% in 2027.

Stephanie Price: Great. Thank you for the color.

Madhu Ranganathan: Thank you.

Mark Barrenechea: Thank you.

Operator: The next question comes from Richard Tse with National Bank Financial. Please go ahead.

Richard Tse: Oh, thank you. I don’t know if Todd’s still on the line, but I had a question for…

Mark Barrenechea: Yes, he is.

Richard Tse: Okay, great. So presumably you’re brought on to help add to OpenText organic growth aspirations. You’ve been there 100 days, you said like as an outsider, what do you think really have been the challenges from your vantage point to accelerate organic growth here?

Todd Cione: Yes, thanks for the question and I’m excited to be a part of the team. I think the challenges are really just big opportunities. We’ve got a great foundation, we got a fantastic installed base, we’ve got products that provide customers with really deep value and we’ve got a lot of upcoming innovation as well. So I see huge upside opportunities. There’s a unified worldwide sales force that we now have that we’re doing things a lot more consistently while we’re still balancing executing locally. And we’ve kept that deep business cloud specialization in place as well. And you couple that with some exciting talent that we’re promoting from within, we’re attracting from the outside and we’re pretty excited about the growth potential.

Richard Tse: Okay. And it’s like a related question.

Mark Barrenechea: And Richard, before you get to your second part of your question, I’ll give my perspective too. Companies as you scale, you reach certain inflection points. And as we approach $6 billion in revenues, we’ve approached an inflection point. And it’s such a delight of having Todd onboard as our President of Worldwide Sales to drive that consistency across all our selling theaters and teams and processes and obviously we expect great things in our partnership. Paul’s promotion on to President, Chief Customer Officer and Madhu’s promotion as well with Operations and Corporate Development. So I think you reach a point in your evolution, and we’re not stopping at where we are in our evolution by any means, but we’ve gotten to a point of scale where we should have, need a single leader with a strong vision on leading a single sales organization.

Richard Tse: Okay, great, thanks. I do have a sort of follow-up question on that. So you laid out a fairly detailed plan at the beginning of that plan. What would you consider sort of the biggest driver for organic growth? Meaning sort of those things you laid out, where do you get the biggest bang for the buck here?

Mark Barrenechea: Yes, I think, thanks for that follow-up question that’s people, people, people. So having the right people really focused in the right roles with the right enablement, empowered and focused, that’s where we’re going to get, I think, a significant step up as well. And look, again, we have great customers that depend on OpenText technology. And the more that we will consistently make sure that we’re connecting and demonstrating a clear value proposition consistently globally, I think we get a significant return there as well.

Richard Tse: Okay, great. Thank you.

Madhu Ranganathan: Thank you, Richard.

Operator: The next question comes from Adhir Kadve with Eight Capital. Please go ahead.

Adhir Kadve: Hey, guys, thanks for taking my question here. May be one for Todd or potentially may be for Paul. You’ve talked, talked a lot about people today. Given that the macro continues to be somewhat uncertain, budgets are continually scrutinized. Todd or Paul, how have you guys kind of altered your approach to the sales organization versus those previous cycles that you’ve guys have kind of worked through?

Todd Cione: Yes, I don’t know that I would say significant alterations other than making sure that we’re excellent at the basics like I described. Rigor is a really big part of what we’re focused on, and that also includes innovation and allowing our teams to be more efficient by leveraging technology like our own AI internally, as I mentioned, for RFPs and proposal generation. We’ve got a long list of other internal innovations that we’ll launch this year that will boost their efficiency as well, so I think those are key parts. Paul, anything?

Paul Duggan: I guess, to tack onto that, one of the areas that comes to mind that we’ve adjusted a bit is in professional services. So as we look ahead to next-gen, we look ahead to AI and the talent market that’s out there, that all of our customers are looking to source this unique skill set and we know that if we can build that up in a rapid way kind of internally, and also pulling in some outside town as well, that we’re going to have a differentiator in those conversations. These are tough resources to find. So having that within OpenText, having that as a seat at the table, partnerships with our customers, and giving them the access to that skill is an important priority for us in the year ahead.

Adhir Kadve: Great. And just as a quick follow-up, maybe just on AI Mark, you continue to say that researching and piloting, what’s the gating factor there that’s kind of stopping customers from really pushing the accelerator on their AI deployments?

Mark Barrenechea: Yes, we’re also winning. Right? So just our bookings growth, there’s unequivocally AI wins in there and AI related wins. I think an interesting dynamic that I’m seeing is that if I look at our couple hundred interactions in detailed conversations and our active work going on right now, they’re around big projects, they’re not around small gains, they’re around big gains with our customers. It’s an interesting dynamic that this is a problem set that requires investment. But customers are not thinking of small problems. They’re approaching AI with solving some of their biggest challenges that they want, looking at billion dollar supply chains and optimizing billion dollar supply chains, looking at $50 billion in contracts and how to optimize them.

Looking at every single trade in the United States at a particular moment. So it’s an interesting dynamic that is about big data sets and solving big problems. And I wouldn’t have said that a year ago, but I think that’s a pattern. And so as the cost goes down, the ease of deployment goes down, I think we’ll also see maybe smaller use cases. So that’s a dynamic all throughout there. And when we get to that point, we’re in a premier position to just solve big problems for our customers.

Adhir Kadve: Great, thanks guys. I’ll pass the line.

Madhu Ranganathan: Thank you.

Operator: I’ll now hand the call back over to Mr. Barrenechea for closing remarks, please.

Mark Barrenechea: Yes, fantastic. I’d just like to go back to two questions and wrap up. On the comp and CD&A, I made a point, may have made it too fast. One is we’re doing something very unique this year. When you look at our CD&A or compensation discussion analysis, we’re making forward disclosures. And in that you’re going to see that the talent and comp committee of the board have set higher bars on leadership, both on growth and margin. I think that’s the key takeaway. And so we’re doing a forward disclosure and the board and the committee are setting higher bars. We look forward to your feedback. On the F 2027 plan, I want to be very clear, is completely in our hands, and it is manifestly organic growth and there should be no ambiguity about that.

In terms of a wrap up, I’d like to just end where we started. We’re extremely focused on advancing our competitive advantage because competitive advantage is everything and we’re on track with Titanium X, which is the next big step up. We’re focused on delivering cloud revenue growth 7% in 2024, up to 5% organic growth in 2025 and 79% growth in 27. We are focused on capturing the significant margin opportunity in front of us from up to 34% in 2025, 36% in 2026, up to 38% in 2027. And we’re excited about our disciplined capital return and having the highest capital return in our history this year of up to $570 million with our new $300 million buyback and our dividend raise of 5%. Thank you all. We look forward to seeing you at our upcoming conferences at Oppenheimer, Morgan Stanley in late August, Deutsche Bank late August and Citi’s Global Tech Conference in New York City, September 5th.

Thank you for joining us today. That ends today’s call.

Operator: This concludes today’s conference call. You may disconnect your lines. Thank you for participating and have a pleasant day.