ON Semiconductor Corporation (NASDAQ:ON) Q1 2024 Earnings Call Transcript

ON Semiconductor Corporation (NASDAQ:ON) Q1 2024 Earnings Call Transcript April 29, 2024

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Operator: Good day, and thank you for standing by. Welcome to the Onsemi First Quarter 2024 Earnings Conference Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. After the speakers’ presentation, there’ll be a question-and-answer session. [Operator Instructions] Please be advised today’s conference is being recorded. I would now like to hand the conference over to your speaker today, Parag Agarwal. Please go ahead.

Parag Agarwal: Thank you, Kevin. Good morning, and thank you for joining Onsemi’s first quarter 2024 quarterly results conference call. I’m joined today by Hassane El-Khoury, our President and CEO; and Thad Trent, our CFO. This call is being webcast on the Investor Relations section of our website at www.onsemi.com. A replay of this webcast along with our 2024 first-quarter earnings release will be available on our website approximately one hour following this conference call and the recorded webcast will be available for approximately 30 days following this conference call. Additional information is posted on the Investor Relations section of our website. Our earnings release and this presentation include certain non-GAAP financial measures.

Reconciliation of these non-GAAP financial measures to the most directly comparable GAAP measures and a discussion of certain limitations when using non-GAAP financial measures are included in our earnings release, which is posted separately on our website in the Investor Relations section. During the course of this conference call, we’ll make projections or other forward-looking statements regarding the future events or future financial performance of the Company. We wish to caution that such statements are subject to risks and uncertainties that could cause actual events or results to differ materially from projections. Important factors that can affect our business, including factors that could cause actual results to differ materially from our forward-looking statements are described in our most recent Form 10-K, Form 10-Qs, and other filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission and in our earnings release for the first quarter of 2024.

Our estimates or other forward-looking statements might change and the company assumes no obligation to update forward-looking statements to reflect actual results, change assumptions, or other events that may occur except as required by law. Now, let me hand it over to Hassane. Hassane?

Hassane El-Khoury: Thank you, Parag. Good morning, and thank you all for joining us on the call. In the first quarter, our worldwide team delivered revenue of $1.86 billion, non-GAAP gross margin of 45.9%, and non-GAAP earnings per share of $1.08, all above the midpoint of our guidance. We have remained laser-focused on our execution, driving new design-win growth of 30% quarter-over-quarter and gaining share in silicon and silicon carbide based on the strength of our technology. Customers value the breadth of our portfolio and the superior performance of our intelligent power and sensing technologies, which continue to fuel platform wins. Leading indicators of future revenue support our plan to outgrow the market in automotive and industrial with new product revenue in Q1, increasing 9% year-over-year, and we expect it to continue to outpace total company growth with favorable gross margins at scale.

Specifically, we believe our silicon carbide business to have the best financial performance in the industry on a fully-loaded basis with more than 50% of substrates coming from internal production in the first quarter. The performance of our silicon carbide solutions combined with our vertically integrated supply chain are enabling us to rapidly diversify our customer base. Having just returned from the China Auto Show in Beijing, I remain confident that we are continuing to gain share and expanding into the top 10 leading Chinese OEMs where we are already designed into the newly announced 800-volt EV platforms and is set to start ramping in the second half of 2024. As for the global silicon carbide market, we still expect an increase in the TAM, although at a lower rate than previously anticipated.

The increase is primarily driven by incremental volumes of EVs produced globally over 2023, even as total SAR is projected to be flat to slightly down. We continue to gain share in silicon carbide and diversify across all markets and still expect our revenue to increase 2x the market growth in 2024. Outside of silicon carbide, there was incremental softness in the market in the first quarter. Inventory digestion persisted across the automotive and industrial markets with stabilization in the traditional part of our industrial business. We remain cautious about the second-half outlook, but we expect customer inventory levels to normalize and the market to stabilize. We will maintain our disciplined approach to navigating the current environment and expect to deliver predictable results as we have demonstrated.

Through this environment, we’re also investing to further our leadership in the high-growth megatrends of automotive, industrial, and cloud, including data centers. During our Analyst Day last May, we highlighted a $19 billion high-margin TAM opportunity that we could service by expanding our portfolio of power management and sensor interface technologies. To best align with the strategic intent, we have formed the analog and mixed-signal group, which will deliver industry-leading full-system solutions for these markets. Electrification remains the largest growth opportunity for Onsemi across xEVs from BEV to ATV. We provide a unique value proposition for our customers with our wide range of silicon carbide and IGBT solutions along with our high-power packaging technologies.

Our revenue from xEV grew by approximately 60% year-over-year, significantly outpacing unit production and we continue to gain share with our silicon carbide and silicon products, primarily in BEV. In automotive sensing, the shift towards higher resolution image sensor for ADAS systems continues with customers moving to better performance options. Our revenue for 8-megapixel image sensors increased more than 30% quarter-over-quarter and more than 60% year-over-year, demonstrating the market trend towards higher resolution for ADAS systems. In medical, we are leveraging AI technology in our processors for hearing aids to adapt to the user’s unique hearing environment for an improved listening experience and we are designed in more than 50% of over-the-counter hearing aids currently available in the market.

With a relentless focus on innovation, we are actively investing in new products and technologies to extend our competitive advantage and drive above-market revenue growth at favorable margins, consistent with our Analyst Day commitment. We remain on track and continue to make progress towards 200 millimeter in silicon carbide. We are already sampling new mixed-signal products and we are gaining share across the portfolio based on the differentiation of our technology. Our investment in cloud and data centers over the last three years has enabled us to benefit from the incremental opportunity we are seeing from the rapid rise of AI. Next-generation AI server racks will require 200 kilowatts to 300 kilowatts of power as much as the power needed in a BEV.

Our full suite of high-efficiency power tree solutions from the power supply unit or PSU to the CPU or GPU consuming the power continues to present the content expansion opportunity as customers look to us to solve their power density problems in data centers. As we look forward, with disciplined consistent execution, while maintaining the customer-centric mindset, we will navigate the current environment and continue to deliver value for our stakeholders. Let me now turn it over to Thad to give you more details on our results. Thad?

Thad Trent: Thank you, Hassane. Our teams have been relentless in their pursuit of operational excellence. Their focus on execution to drive more predictable and sustainable results once again delivered first-quarter results that exceeded expectations. Our ability to respond to the current market environment and deliver better results than ever in a downturn demonstrates the resiliency we have built into the business over the last three years. Amid continued inventory digestion in automotive and industrial, we reported Q1 revenue of $1.86 billion, down 8% quarter-over-quarter and down 5% year-over-year. Our automotive business of $1 billion grew 3% as compared to the quarter a year ago and declined 9% quarter-over-quarter, in line with our expectations.

Vehicle electrification and advanced safety applications remain the long-term growth drivers for this business. Our revenue for industrial was $476 million, down 14% versus the first quarter of 2023 and down 4% sequentially. We are seeing early signs of stabilization in our traditional industrial business, which is slightly less than half of our total industrial. Long-term, we expect upside opportunities in the industrial to come from energy infrastructure, factory automation, and medical applications. As a result of our strategy to shift to the high-growth megatrends for the sustainable ecosystem, our automotive and industrial revenue accounted for 80% of our business in Q1. Looking at the split between the operating units, revenue for the Power Solutions Group or PSG was $874 million, an increase of 2% year-over-year coming from higher silicon carbide revenue in automotive and industrial applications, offset by a decline of silicon power products.

Revenue for the Analog and Mixed-Signal Group or AMG was $697 million, a 6% decline year-over-year, driven by declines in industrial and automotive. As previously announced, we have formed AMG to deliver industry-leading full-system analog-mixed-signal solutions. Prior-period revenue has been reclassified and is available on the Investor Relations section of our website. Revenue for the Intelligent Sensing Group or ISG was $292 million, an 18% decrease year-over-year due to a decline in industrial and automotive. GAAP gross margin was 45.8% in the first quarter and non-GAAP gross margin was 45.9% compared to 46.7% in Q4 and 46.8% in the quarter a year ago. These results exceeded expectations, even though utilization was at 65%, a slight decrease from 66% in Q4.

In prior downturns at similar utilization levels, our gross margin was approximately 30%. Though muted by utilization, our gross margin expansions continue. Most notably, our Fab Right strategy of optimizing our existing footprint is well underway and our teams continue to drive operational excellence with cost-improvement opportunities. At this fiscal, we have aggressively improved the operational efficiency of the fab, reducing the fixed and variable cost to reach parity and wafer cost with our other fabs. The dilutive impact in Q1 was 140 basis points as compared to 200 basis points in the fourth quarter. We expect this to be roughly 100 basis points dilutive for the remainder of the year for the ongoing foundry business with Global Foundries.

As a result of our cost-reduction efforts at EFK and our Fab Right initiatives, we now expect one point of utilization improvement across our manufacturing network will result in approximately 15 basis points to 20 basis points of gross margin improvement. Now let me give you some additional numbers for your models. GAAP operating expenses for the first quarter was $328 million as compared to $353 million in the first quarter of 2023. Non-GAAP operating expenses were $314 million as compared to $286 million in the quarter a year ago. As Hassane mentioned, we continue to invest to further our leadership position in our focus markets. GAAP operating margin for the quarter was 28.2% and non-GAAP operating margin was 29%. Our GAAP tax rate was 15.7% and non-GAAP tax rate was 16%.

GAAP earnings per share for the first quarter was $1.04 as compared to $1.03 in the quarter a year ago. Non-GAAP earnings per share was near the high end of our guidance at $1.08 as compared to $1.19 in Q1 of 2023. GAAP-diluted share count was 437 million shares and our non-GAAP diluted share count was 432 million shares. In Q1, we deployed $100 million, or 36% of our free cash flow for share repurchases. In the last 12 months, we have repurchased $560 million worth of shares and returned nearly 100% of our free cash flow back to our shareholders. Turning to the balance sheet. Cash and cash equivalents was $2.6 billion, and we had $1.1 billion undrawn on our revolver. Cash from operations was $499 million and free-cash flow increased 3x year-over-year to $276 million, representing 15% of revenue.

Capital expenditures during Q1 were $222 million, which equates to a capital intensity of 12%. As previously indicated, we expect 2024 capital intensity to be in the low teens for the full year. Inventory increased by $35 million sequentially and days increased by 15 days to 194 days. This includes 86 days of bridge inventory to support fab transitions in the silicon carbide ramp. Excluding these strategic builds, our base inventory decreased $31 million sequentially to approximately 109 days. We continue to proactively manage distribution inventory. Thus the inventory was down $19 million sequentially with weeks of inventory at eight weeks as expected versus 7.2 weeks in Q4. As previously mentioned, we expect to replenish the channel in 2024 to service mass-market customers and expect inventory to start to normalize with increasing inventory levels to approximately nine weeks over the next few quarters.

Now let me provide you the key elements of our non-GAAP guidance for the second quarter. Table detailing our GAAP and non-GAAP guidance is provided in the press release related to our first-quarter results. Given the current macro-environment and our demand visibility, we anticipate Q2 revenue will be in the range of $1.68 billion to $1.78 billion with softness across all end markets. We expect non-GAAP gross margin to be between 44.2% and 46.2%. As we have shown, our structural changes are proving sustainable and we expect to hold the mid-40% gross margin for utilization in the mid-60% range. Our Q2 non-GAAP gross margin includes share-based compensation of $6.5 million. We expect non-GAAP operating expenses of $313 million to $328 million, including share-based compensation of $28.6 million.

We anticipate our non-GAAP other income to be a net benefit of $12 million with our interest income exceeding interest expense. We expect our non-GAAP tax rate to be approximately 16% and our non-GAAP diluted share count for the second quarter is expected to be approximately 432 million shares. This results in non-GAAP earnings per share to be in the range of $0.86 to $0.98. We expect capital expenditures in the range of $180 million to $220 million. Our financial strategy and long-term targets remain unchanged. We are investing for our future while leaning on our playbook to drive operational efficiencies across the organization. We also remain committed to our capital allocation strategy of returning 50% of our free cash flow to shareholders over the long term.

We are a different company today, and I’d like to take this opportunity to thank our employees around the world for the value they’ve unlocked during their transformation journey. Their efforts were most recently recognized by the management top 250 ranking published by the Wall Street Journal, which identifies the most effectively managed businesses. We are proud to have been named as posting the biggest gain of any company and we will continue to strive for operational excellence as we navigate the coming quarters. With that, I’d like to turn the call back over to Kevin to open it up for Q&A.

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Q&A Session

Operator: [Operator Instructions] Our first question comes from Ross Seymore with Deutsche Bank. Your line is open.

Ross Seymore: Hi, guys. Thanks for the question. First question, Hassane, I just wanted to get into the linearity of demand you saw in the first quarter and thus far in the second quarter and maybe specifically what you’re seeing on the silicon carbide side. I know you said that the market TAM is going to be slower, but you’ll still grow 2x that. What’s your estimation for what the market TAM is going to do?

Hassane El-Khoury: Yes. Specifically on the first quarter, we did see a slowdown through the quarter. Specifically, if I were to break it, you got to think about it after Chinese New Year, typically we would expect a slight recovery or back to linearity and we didn’t – that’s where we started to see some of the incremental softness that we talked about specifically in auto. As far as the silicon carbide, look, it’s too early in the year to call a market, what I’m basing my comment on and specifically the 2x growth is really a bottoms-up share gain that we have based on a vehicle-by-vehicle and socket-by-socket that we’re designed in and we know what the sockets and the designs on the platforms are out there. What is pending to see today and like I said, it’s early in the year still is the sell-through of these vehicles.

As we get through the second half of the year, that picture will get clearer. I’ll get a little bit more accurate as far as what the market would do. But for right now, we’re looking at it as are we designed in more than 2x the sockets that are deployed this year? And the answer is yes.

Ross Seymore: Thanks for that. I guess for my follow-up, Thad, one for you on the gross margin side of things, congrats for holding the 45% floor. Can you just walk-through some of the idiosyncratic puts and takes going-forward? I know you said what the utilization impact would be when revenues and all of that go up, but East Fishkill, exiting fabs, all those sorts of things, what are the pluses and minuses as we think about gross margin through the year?

Thad Trent: Sure, sure. So, just starting with the utilization. So as I mentioned in the prepared remarks, one point of utilization is 15 basis points to 20 basis points of gross margin improvement. So think about as being at the mid-60s if we get back up into the low 80s, you can do the math on the tailwind there. For East Fishkill, we expect this year, it’s about 100 basis points dilutive as we go through the rest of the year. That’s the foundry business. As I mentioned, and we now have the cost in parity with our other fabs. So we’re happy with the progress we’ve made there. That fab is underutilized. So you get that benefit, as I mentioned on the utilization. The other component is the fab divestitures from 2022, the four fabs.

We start to see that starting to be monetized in 2025. That’s $160 million of annualized costs. We won’t see it all in ’25, but we’ll start to recognize it in ’25 and the outer years as we move that production into our fab network. So that’s another nice tailwind. And then we’ve got the ramping of new products that are accretive to gross margins and that includes silicon carbide, as we continue to scale silicon carbide in ’25 and further, that becomes accretive. And in all new products, as Hassane mentioned, the new product revenue is growing that’s at scale is all accretive as well. So I think if you do the math there, you start to get pretty close to our target.

Ross Seymore: Thank you.

Operator: One moment for our next question. Our next question comes from Vivek Arya with Bank of America Securities. Your line is open.

Vivek Arya: Thanks for taking my question. Hassane, I’m trying to understand the message and the outlook for the second half that we get the weaker and the headwinds for Q2, but how should we think about the pace of recovery from here? Because I thought I heard Thad say that you plan to increase TAM, I think distribution inventory, that sounds like a positive message, but if things started to get weaker towards the end of Q1, that doesn’t sound like a positive message. So I’m just trying to understand what are you trying to signal for the second half? Is Q2 the bottom? And how should we think about Q3 from what we know today, obviously, it’s a fluid environment.

Hassane El-Khoury: Yes. I’ll – let me try to clarify here. First off, I’m not going to call the bottom. I was very clear last time, I’ll call it when I’m sitting on the top on the other side. But what we are seeing, we did see the slowdown – that slowdown with the inventory digestion and demand. And I believe the two are related persistence in our outlook for Q2. But for the second half, we are starting to see a stabilization in demand. Now I wouldn’t go as far as calling it a recovery, but I think if I were to use a letter that everybody talks about, it’s an L at this point, meaning we’re seeing stabilization, we’re seeing recovery, meaning it’s not deteriorating further. Now, whether or not the demand will pick up, that’s too close to call that, but at least we see stabilization in our outlook.

Vivek Arya: Okay. And then on the silicon carbide, just one or two near-term and then kind of the longer-term. On the near term, what did your silicon carbide sales do in Q1, either sequentially or year-on-year? And what’s your China exposure? And then there’s a lot of industry discussion about low-priced EVs and I think you guys have both the silicon and silicon carbide. And I’m wondering if there is an industry move towards the so-called lower-priced EVs, especially in the U.S. market, would that be positive or neutral to ON’s power opportunity?

Hassane El-Khoury: Yes. So on the first question, we’re not breaking up the silicon carbide on a quarterly. Last year, we gave the annual and we talked about for both competitive reasons, we’re not breaking up the quarterly. What we have said is it will obviously increase in 2024 from 2023, but we will update the annual year or the annual results for 2024 as we get towards the end of the year. As for the low-cost EVs, it’s an interesting dynamic in the market. Our position, we will benefit regardless of what technology the customer uses, whether it’s silicon carbide or IGBT. And we have seen areas where we have benefited from both, whether at the same customer account or even in the same platform. What I also want to highlight is we’ve been pushing the efficiency on silicon carbide, both device and package with our new-generation that we’ve announced and designed into customers, where it will be ramping the second-half of this year, specifically with a lot of the China OEMs that you can argue are at a low-cost or low-price point for a low-cost EV.

Those have also silicon carbide because the dynamic that you see, the benefit they get from using Onsemi silicon carbide with Onsemi’s packaging from a module perspective gives them the efficiency that they will save way more dollars on the battery than they were just going from silicon carbide to IGBT. So from a system-level solution, the battery is the biggest bomb. If they can save battery by using any of the technology, they win on the low cost. And we’ve seen customers do that. But regardless of what technology and what system-level cost they want to optimize, we will benefit whether it’s silicon carbide or IGBT.

Operator: Thank you. One moment for our next question. Our next question comes from Chris Danely with Citi. Your line is open.

Chris Danely: Thanks. It’s the Jew turned Italian again. Hey, just another question on silicon carbide. So if you’re not going to give us the quarterly revenue, what are gross margins doing? Are they stabilizing or are they going down? And then how about your pricing expectations for the rest of the year? Have your pricing expectations changed? And what revenue level do you need to get to get to that 50% gross margin target? Thanks.

Hassane El-Khoury: Yes. I think the gross margin is for silicon carbide is stable. As we talked about last year, it will remain stable as we increase revenue, but we’ve also added capacity. So kind of the utilization and the growth will offset each other to give us that stability in the gross margin. Longer-term, of course, you got the utilization as we grow into our installed footprint. So that will give us a nice upside on the gross margin. As we ramp internal substrates, that will give us the incremental gross margin that gets us to be above the 50% that we talked about and as we march closer to the model – for the corporate-level model at 53% long-term. Now one thing I do want to highlight is we also are making incremental improvements on our efficiency side, which means that we are able to service the same level of power that the customer require with a smaller die.

So from a system-level cost, we are also making technology improvements in order to improve our cost. So between the cost, the new products that we talked about earlier, and growing into the capacity, that’s where that’s going to give us the incremental margin. We see it in the standard margin if you take out the underutilization and that’s what we’re going to grow into. So we’re pretty comfortable with our trajectory on silicon carbide margin and we’ll continue to execute.

Chris Danely: Great. And then for my follow-up, between your two big markets, auto and industrial, would it be fair to say that the industrial market appears to be stabilizing, but the automotive market is getting a little bit weaker and is all of that weakness in silicon carbide or is there weakness in auto outside of silicon carbide?

Hassane El-Khoury: Sorry, you blanked out the last discussion.

Chris Danely: Okay. Yes. Can you guys hear me okay now?

Hassane El-Khoury: Yes. Yes, Chris.

Chris Danely: Okay, great. So just between the two big end-markets, auto and industrial, is it fair to say that broadly speaking, the industrial market for you guys is stabilizing? And then on the automotive market, is it fair to say it’s getting a little bit incrementally weaker? And is that incremental weakness all silicon carbide or is there weakness in the non-silicon carbide automotive business?

Hassane El-Khoury: Yes, I think at a high level between the market, your comment is true. I don’t think from an overall – from the automotive side, the second part of your question, I don’t think it’s only on the silicon carbide. Silicon carbide, I think it’s well understood in general as far as the TAM. But our growth on silicon carbide is really more on share gains rather than just specific to total market and we’ve been very consistent about that. 2024 is still on track for that. But we did see incremental softness in automotive on the silicon side as well, which is more on the broader aspect of automotive.

Chris Danely: Great. Thanks, guys.

Operator: One moment for our next question. Our next question comes from Toshiya Hari with Goldman Sachs. Your line is open.

Toshiya Hari: Hi, good morning. I had a question on the silicon carbide business as well. For this year, Hassane, what’s the rough split between automotive and industrial? And more importantly, I was hoping you could speak to your diversification efforts. I think customer concentration has been a bit of an issue from an investor perspective. Your largest customer was significant last year. I think they’ll continue to be significant this year, but how should we think about your customer base and your customer mix broadening in SiC specifically going forward?

Hassane El-Khoury: Yes. So the first part of the question, it’s been pretty consistent. You can think about it as 80-20, 80 auto, 20 industrial. Give or take depending on the quarter and when the ramp happened, they’re a little bit asynchronous ramps based on the end-markets. As far as diversification, we’ve been very consistent on 2024. We’ll be more diversified than what 2023 was. That remains the case. Last quarter, we called out ramps in automotive OEMs in Europe starting to ramp EV with Onsemi silicon carbide. The comment I make today is further proliferation in the Chinese EV, which today is the biggest penetration of electrification in light-vehicle production. Between those two efforts as these ramp in the second half getting us to that 2x market that I talked about, that’s going to come with further diversification across all geographies.

Very consistent with where our LTSAs originally were and where the ramps have started to occur. So predictable, consistent, and we’re executing to that.

Toshiya Hari: Great. Thank you. And as a follow-up, I feel like you talked about data center a little bit more than on prior calls. To level-set us, can you speak to the exposure you have to AI or data centers more broadly today? And how are you thinking about the growth profile there over the coming years given the focus on AI infrastructure spend across your end-customers? Thank you.

Hassane El-Khoury: Yes. If you go back to our last Analyst Day where Sudhir in his prepared comments, he talked about the Power Tree being very similar in automotive, industrial, and cloud and data center. We’ve talked a lot about our penetration and our success in auto and industrial, and we’ve shifted our focus over the last three years to the cloud and data center. And at Analyst Day, we talked about that outlook being about 22% CAGR over the next five years. That’s what our investment thesis has been. We’ve been introducing products both on the power discrete side and furthermore, on call it, controllers and point-of-load and so on, which is more on the intelligent power coming from our analog and mixed-signal group that we’ve organized around that effort.

So all of these put together are where our investment has been. I talked more about it this quarter than I did last quarter even just because of our progress on it. Last quarter, I talked about our success in sampling. A lot of these products coming from that group. We’re further sampling and engaging with customers. I’m very bullish about it. You’ll hear more about it as we get through the year, but the target markets are auto, industrial, but on top of that it’s the cloud and data centers.

Toshiya Hari: Are you able to size it for us today? Is it low singles, mid-singles? Any hints there?

Hassane El-Khoury: Not yet.

Toshiya Hari: Okay. Thank you.

Operator: One moment for our next question. Our next question comes from Gary Mobley with Wells Fargo Securities. Your line is open.

Gary Mobley: Hi guys, thanks for taking my question. Hassane, you probably realized this already, but most investors are worried about the ability for non-China silicon carbide suppliers to compete in the China market against local competition. And your messaging on that front was clear and that you’re gaining share at the top-10 China automotive OEMs. But longer-term, what’s your hook to remain successful in that marketplace? Is it a focus on higher voltage battery systems? Is it a hybrid silicon, silicon carbide solution? Is it local investment into the China market? Any color there would be helpful.

Hassane El-Khoury: Yes. Look, I’ve always been very consistent on, we compete on the value of our products because at the end of the day, if you don’t have value in the product, somebody somewhere is willing to take a lower margin for just good enough. That’s not the business we’re in. Therefore, maintaining our investments and maintaining an aggressive roadmap that provides value for the customer. For a customer perspective, they need to be looking at it by if I use Onsemi, I can save hundreds of dollars on battery versus if I use somebody maybe cheaper locally and I will have to add that cost on the battery. If that is the case, which is what we do and why we win in any geography, then it’s irrelevant of what the competition is doing as long as we maintain our leadership on the technology.

We’ve proven this year after year. The competition in China has been no less or more, whether it’s European vendors or local Chinese vendor. And we’ve proven our ability with our internal and vertically-integrated strategy to compete to have the best financial structured business for silicon carbide and to grow above-market by gaining share. All of these are the leading indicators of how we were going to continue to tackle that business, both in the short-term and in the long-term.