Kyle May: Okay. Great. That’s helpful. And – sorry,
Randy Tauscher: Sorry, this is Randy. I’ll throw in on that that the $6.5 million is contingent on the completion of the DSM joint venture and that’s the ELSA plant itself. And that’s projected to be done in the second quarter but that’s something Martin doesn’t really have control of. And to the extent that slips that $6.5 million commitment slips also.
Kyle May: Okay. Got it. That makes sense. And on the DSM Semichem, maybe can you give us a little bit more insight into the progression of that project? Because you do have the ELSA contribution showing in the fourth quarter – excuse me, in your guidance, but just maybe how we think about that going forward?
Randy Tauscher: Yes. So the fourth quarter the EBITDA contribution you see around that is due to the completion of the Martin capital commitments to build the Oleum Tower and everything we’ve committed to the project. And so to the extent we get that done in the second quarter which we’re expecting to those payments to us begin no later than the fourth quarter. And so that’s why we have that pinned in the 4Q. So that’s really for the reservation fee that we have — will receive from DSM. Okay? And then just to start paying it down the line then the rest of the EBITDA contribution we expect primarily from the DSM joint venture will begin when actual sales begin. We do anticipate sales in the 4Q, but a very small amount because most of our intended customers are delaying their projects. And so those sales won’t begin until those projects actually start securing their raw materials, which should be into 2025.
Kyle May: Okay. Great. Appreciate the color this morning. I will jump back in the queue.
Sharon Taylor: Thank you, Kyle.
Operator: We’ll go next to Selman Akyol at Stifel.
Selman Akyol: Thank you. Good morning. So just following up on ELSA and DSM. So sales start in the fourth quarter and then roll forward into 2025. You’re getting paid for reservation. Is there any I guess sort of where you would owe them services in lieu of the reservation fee? Or should we kind of think of this as a steady $1 million run rate as we enter into 2025?
Randy Tauscher: Can you expand your question a little bit more? I had a tough time connecting. Selman, I apologize.
Selman Akyol: Okay. Yes. No worries, no worries. So, I think you guided to like $850,000 from a reservation payment. And as we roll forward into 2025, if the reservation — if there’s no volumes associated with it is there any catch-up they get to do? So, when I think about 1Q 2025, is it still sort of a ratable reservation fee of $850,000 or is there a catch-up? Is there anything that would take you off that sort of, call it, $1 million run rate as we go further out?
Randy Tauscher: Okay. Thank you. I understand clearly now. You — when you said the $1 million, you were talking about on a quarterly basis.
Selman Akyol: Yes.
Randy Tauscher: So, yes, we get a reservation fee of approximately $1 million a quarter going forward. And we have costs that offset some of that, of course. But yes, there’s no catch-up. That is going forward for the term of the agreement.
Selman Akyol: Got you. And then — and I know customers are kind of moving a little bit to the right. But at one point I thought there was some discussion of maybe could this get larger as you guys go along. Is there any of those discussions that are continuing? Or should we just sort of think about what you guys have planned right now is what we should expect over the next several years?
Randy Tauscher: Yes. We haven’t had any formal discussions about any expansion at that site, but we certainly have the ability from an oleum production standpoint to do that. And if you look at the fundamentals with the new plants getting built and the types of semiconductors that they’re going to build, consumption of the asset we’re producing, sure looks like that’s poised for growth going forward. But we haven’t had any significant discussions around that yet at this point in time.
Selman Akyol: Understood. And then just pivoting back to Transportation. On the marine rates, any locking up at all, or are you guys really still doing everything in the spot market there? Any one-year contracts or any discussions in and around that at all?
Randy Tauscher: Yes. We’ve only locked up for a year length our offshore equipment those two units. The inland tows, we have 11 of those units. We have currently four on spot and seven on some sort of three to six-month contract arrangement. And that’s what we anticipate going forward. We have five tows coming off of contract within the next 30 to 60 days and we anticipate renewing those at another three to six-month arrangement, but nothing longer than that.
Selman Akyol: Got it. And can you just say how pricing is going on that? Is — do you expect it to be at a higher level in line? Any indications you can give there?
Randy Tauscher: Pricing has been good. I mean two years ago and last year, it went up $2.000 a day on average. A year ago to now, it’s up about $1,000 to $1,500 a day. Our spot agreements are above our contract agreements. So, I would assume the contract agreements are going to move up a little bit when those are renegotiated but they haven’t been negotiated yet.
Selman Akyol: Got you. And then does your guidance also assume that? Or did you guys guide fairly conservative there?
Randy Tauscher: Yes, our guidance assumes that.
Selman Akyol: Okay. And then last one for me just on the free cash flow. Sharon, if I heard everything correctly that will just be directed at debt reductions. And so hopefully, at the end of the year you’re $10 million-plus a little less?
Sharon Taylor: Yes. We will continue to direct free cash flow to reducing outstandings under the revolver. And we talked about what we’re trying to do is to state, yes, we’re at 3.75x when we consider the cadence of our capital expenditures this year, which are heavily weighted to the first half of the year, along with our interest payments on our notes. We see that by the end of the year we’re still below the 3.75x, but quarter-over-quarter in 2024, we could see some lift in that leverage ratio.
Bob Bondurant: And I’ll make — its Bob, an additional comment, which we really — don’t really forecast significant changes in working capital. There could be some slight variability if working capital is up or down that could impact that number to a smaller degree.
Selman Akyol: Got you. Yeah. I know you guys have been chasing that leverage ratio for a while, so congratulations on the improvement.
Sharon Taylor: Thank you.
Bob Bondurant: Thanks.
Operator: We’ll go next to Patrick Fitzgerald at Baird.
Patrick Fitzgerald: Thanks for taking the questions. $32 million in maintenance CapEx. Could you provide a little more detail on where that’s going? Yeah. So, like, if you bought some new tank trucks to replace old tank trucks, is that maintenance or is that growth or how do you think about that?
Randy Tauscher: So the maintenance CapEx, and I think Sharon hit this a little bit in her comments, we have about $32 million, which is up almost 30 million this past year. We have from a marine perspective, if you take our MES equipment out of it, so you just look at our 11 two barge tows and our offshore equipment, we have 16 pieces of equipment out of our 37 or 8 going to dry dock. So we have almost 40% of our marine fleet going to dry dock this year, which is a very high number because with two barge tows, they only go up to five years. So we have a larger percentage of marine equipment going to dry dock than normal. And then the turnarounds, the refinery turnaround is an every other year event. We happen to have one in 2024.
And then the turnarounds for the fertilizer plants at Plainview and ATS down in Beaumont are annual. And if you add all that up, that’s 55% of the maintenance CapEx. The trucking and the new equipment there and the replacement has very little to do. We don’t spend very much of the $32 million in the trucking business. Most of theirs would fall through on repairs and maintenance and just flow through the EBITDA calculation.
Bob Bondurant: And this is Bob. Additional comment to that is the equipment we do buy in the trucking business is under effectively an operating lease. So it doesn’t really flow through capital investment, i.e., maintenance CapEx.
Patrick Fitzgerald: Okay. Yeah, okay. No, that’s helpful, color. The transportation segment. So how much of that you just talked about it with the previous question in terms of the marine, but is the — what’s the like contract length on the truck side? And is that essentially — that would seem like the hardest segment to forecast, but maybe I’m wrong there. So, like, could you talk about how you forecast that? And like how much of that is just pure spot versus actually more contractual in nature? Thanks.
Randy Tauscher: Yes. Most of the — we do have some contracts annualized in that business for example. But most of the land transportation business is based on relationships and performance. And so, the way we forecast that and the reason you’ve seen it down in the last several years is because of the reinvestment that we had into building up a newer fleet of trucks and also bringing some newer trailers in, so we can provide the types of services we need to. And that has hit our operating expense. But it’s — yes, you’re correct. Land transportation is probably other than fertilizer our most difficult business to forecast because it is so — the key is it to — the key to that business is our customers meeting our services, so their plant’s operating where they anticipate them to operate and then having the shipments that they are anticipating and that we are prepared to handle.
Bob Bondurant: And this is Bob again. I’ll say from a macro level as far as forecasting, we run a very consistent number of miles per month or per year. And so that’s the fundamental starting point in the forecast is, you estimate your mileage, you estimate your revenue per mile which has been ticking up in these inflationary times over time. So that’s the fundamental beginning place, knowing our consistency with our customer base, because of our strong performance and service we provide our customers.
Patrick Fitzgerald: Thanks a lot. That’s helpful.
Operator: And at this time there are no further questions. I would like to turn the conference over to Bob Bondurant, CEO for closing remarks.
Bob Bondurant: Well, thank you, Audra. I’ll conclude the call with further comments on the DSM Semichem joint venture or ELSA project. As the partnership has concentrated on debt reduction and improved leverage the past few years, we have told you that our strategy for revenue and cash flow growth lies within expanding our services to current customers and creating strategic alliances around our existing core assets. The ELSA project is a result of focus on that strategy. This alliance with Samsung and Dongjin utilizes our existing assets in Plainview as a base for expansion as low capital requirements and provides an entry point into an industry poised for a decade of growth. Even with the delays in construction of our facilities due to labor and material availability, the ELSA project is an exciting growth opportunity for the partnership and our investors.
Thanks for joining the call this morning. We look forward to speaking with you again on the next quarterly investor call. Thank you.
Operator: And this concludes today’s conference call. Thank you for your participation. You may now disconnect.
