LPL Financial Holdings Inc. (NASDAQ:LPLA) Q1 2024 Earnings Call Transcript April 30, 2024
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Operator: Good afternoon, and thank you for joining the First Quarter 2024 Earnings Conference Call for LPL Financial Holdings Inc. Joining the call today are the President and Chief Executive Officer, Dan Arnold; and Chief Financial Officer and Head of Business Operations, Matt Audette. Dan and Matt will offer introductory remarks, and then the call will be open to the questions. The company would appreciate if analysts would limit themselves to one question and one follow-up each. The company has posted its earnings press release and supplementary information on the Investor Relations section of the company’s website, investor.lpl.com. Today’s call will include forward-looking statements, including statements about LPL Financial’s future financial and operating results, outlook, business strategies and plans, as well as other opportunities and potential risks that management foresees.
Such forward-looking statements reflect management’s current estimates and beliefs and are subject to known and unknown risks and uncertainties that may cause actual results or the timing of events to differ materially from those expressed or implied in such forward-looking statements. For more information about such risks and uncertainties, the company refers listeners to the disclosure set forth under the caption forward-looking statements in the earnings press release, as well as the risk factors and other disclosures contained in the company’s recent filing with the Securities and Exchange Commission. During the call, the company will also discuss certain non-GAAP financial measures. For a reconciliation of non-GAAP financial measures to the comparable GAAP figures, please refer to the company’s earnings release, which can be found at investor.lpl.com.
With that, I would now like to turn the call over to Mr. Arnold.
Dan H. Arnold: Thank you, Michelle, and thanks to everyone for joining our call today. Over the past quarter, our advisors continue to provide their clients with personalized financial guidance on the journey to help them achieve their life goals and dreams. To help support that important work, we remain focused on our mission, taking care of our advisors, so they can take care of their clients. During the first quarter, we continued to see the appeal of our model grow due to the combination of our robust and feature-rich platform, the stability and scale of our industry leading model and our capacity and commitment to invest back into the platform. As a result, we continue to make solid progress in helping advisors and institutions solve challenges and capitalize on opportunities better than anyone else, and thereby serve as the most appealing player in the industry.
With respect to our performance, we delivered another quarter of solid results, while also continuing to make progress on the execution of our strategic plan. I’ll review both of these areas starting with our first quarter business results. In the quarter, total assets increased to $1.4 trillion, as continued solid organic growth was complemented by higher equity markets. Regarding organic growth, first quarter organic net new assets were $17 billion representing 5% annualized growth. This contributed to organic net new assets over the past 12 months of $96 billion representing approximately an 8% growth rate. In the first quarter, recruited assets were $20 billion which represents a quarterly record excluding periods when onboarding large institutions.
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This outcome was driven by the ongoing enhancements to our model as well as our expanded addressable markets. Looking at same store sales, our advisors remain focused on taking care of their clients and delivering a differentiated experience. As a result, our advisors are both winning new clients and expanding wallet share with existing clients, a combination that drove solid same store sales in Q1. At the same time, we continue to enhance the advisor experience through the delivery of new capabilities and technology and the evolution of our service and operations functions. As a result, asset retention for the first quarter was approximately 97% and 98% over the last 12 months. Our first quarter business results led to solid financial outcomes with adjusted EPS of $4.21.
Let’s now turn to the progress we made on our strategic plan. Now as a reminder, our long-term vision is to become the leader across the advisor-centered marketplace. To do that, our strategy is to invest back into the platform, provide unprecedented flexibility in how advisors can affiliate with us, and to deliver capabilities and services to help maximize advisors’ success throughout the lifecycle of the businesses. Doing this well gives us a sustainable path to industry leadership across the advisor experience, organic growth and market share. Now, to execute on our strategy, we organize our work into two strategic categories: horizontal expansion, where we look to expand the ways that advisors and institutions can affiliate with us, such that we are positioned to compete for all 300,000 advisors in the marketplace.
In vertical integration, where we focus on delivering capabilities, technology and services that help our advisors differentiate and win in the marketplace, be great operators of the businesses. With that as context, let’s start with our efforts around horizontal expansion. Over the first quarter, we saw strong recruiting in our traditional independent market, reaching a new quarterly high of approximately $15 billion in assets. At the same time, due to the ongoing appeal of our model and the evolution of our go-to-market approach, we maintained our industry-leading win rates, while also expanding the breadth and depth of our pipeline. With respect to our new affiliation models, strategic wealth, employee and our enhanced RAA offering, we delivered another solid quarter recruiting roughly $2 billion in assets.
And, as we look ahead, we expect that the increasing awareness of these models in the marketplace and the ongoing enhancements to our capabilities will drive a sustained increase in their growth. Next, in Q1, we added approximately $3 billion of recruited assets in the traditional bank and credit union space, which continues to be a consistent contributor to organic growth. During the quarter, we also continued to make progress with the large institution marketplace, where we announced that Wintrust Financial will onboard two of its wealth management businesses to our institution services platform. And, at the same time, we continued our preparation to onboard the retail wealth management business of Prudential Financial. Collectively, these two deals will add approximately $66 billion of brokerage and advisory assets by early 2025.
Now, as a complement to our organic growth, we also announced the planned acquisition of Atria Wealth Solutions, which supports approximately 2,400 advisors and 150 banks in credit union, managing approximately $100 billion in client assets. This transaction will give Atria advisors access to our differentiated capabilities, technology and service. We are on-track to close the transaction in the back-half of this year and complete the conversion in mid-2025. And finally, we’re seeing solid momentum with our Liquidity and Succession solution, as demand continues to build with existing LPL advisors, while also creating interest with advisors outside our ecosystem including our first signed external deal in the quarter. Now, within our vertical integration efforts, we remain focused on investing back into the model to deliver a comprehensive platform of capability, services and technology that help our advisors differentiate and win in the marketplace and run thriving businesses.
As a part of this effort, we continue to make progress across several key areas of focus, including our ongoing journey, build a world-class wealth management platform. Within that body of work, we are focused on meeting the evolving investment needs of our advisors and their clients, including the increasing interest for non-traditional investment products. To help solve for that demand, we are reimagining the end-to-end experience of our alternatives platform, including enhancing our custodial and operational capabilities for alternative investments, making it simpler and easier to utilize, manage and transact these products, and at the same time, expanding our alternative investment product offering. Over the last year, we have more than doubled the number of products available for advisors to utilize.
Another key area within our vertical integration efforts is the continued enhancement of the experience our advisors deliver their clients. One of the primary ways we do that is providing increased flexibility for advisors to tailor their ideal client experience. For example, we designed Account View, our end client digital platform, so that the advisor can personalize access to features on a client-by-client basis. In addition, we recently launched a series of enhancements to our end client statement, which provides increased flexibility in the channel of delivery and the cadence that clients receive the information, while also adding a unique interactive digital experience to further enrich the traditional statement. Our continued work on our services portfolio is also a key area of our vertical integration strategy.
As a reminder, these services help solve for a broad spectrum of advisors and institutions’ needs. And, in doing so, help position them to deliver great advice and be great operators of the businesses. In that spirit, we are developing a number of solutions that help advisors expand the breadth and depth of their advice, including the more effective utilization of financial planning, catering to the more complex needs of high-net-worth investors and delivering more personalized investment solutions. For example, as a part of our efforts to enrich our planning capabilities, last year, we introduced our Tax Planning Service, which is seeing strong demand in the market. And more recently, we expanded our High-Net-Worth services to enhance our advisors’ support for their high-net-worth prospects and clients through complex case design, state planning and investment product analysis, and the early indications have been favorable.
Finally, we’re in pilot with our latest innovation, our new outsourced Chief Investment Officer Service, which provides advisors with personalized investment expertise powered by LPL [vCERC] (ph). And based on the initial feedback, this is unlocking additional growth and efficiency in our advisors’ practice. Collectively, these services help expand our advisors’ value proposition to their clients, enable them to win new prospects and increase the differentiation and appeal of our platform. And, as we move forward, we will continue to solve for our advisors’ needs at every stage of their practice in order to help them build the perfect businesses for themselves and ultimately maximize their success. In summary, in the first quarter, we continued to invest in the value proposition for advisors and their clients, while driving growth and increasing our market leadership.
As we look ahead, we remain focused on executing our strategy to help our advisors further differentiate and win in the marketplace, and as a result, drive long-term shareholder value. With that, I’ll turn the call over to, Matt.
Matthew J. Audette: All right. Thank you, Dan, and I’m glad to speak with everyone on today’s call. As we move into 2024, we remain focused on serving our advisors, growing our business and delivering shareholder value. This focus led to another quarter of strong organic growth in both our traditional and new markets, and we are preparing to onboard the wealth management businesses of Prudential and Wintrust. In addition, we continue to build momentum in our Liquidity and Succession solution, including our first signed deal with an external practice. We also entered into an agreement to acquire Atria Wealth Solutions, which we plan to onboard to our platform in mid-2025. So, as we look ahead, we remain excited by the opportunities we have to serve and support our nearly 23,000 advisors, while continuing to invest in our industry-leading value proposition and drive organic growth.
Now, let’s turn to our first quarter business results. Total advisory and brokerage assets were $1.4 trillion up 6% from Q4, this continued organic growth was complemented by higher equity markets. Total organic net new assets were $17 billion or approximately a 5% annualized growth rate. Our Q1 recruited assets were $20 billion which prior to large institutions was the highest quarter on record. Looking ahead to Q2, our momentum continues, and we are on pace to deliver another strong quarter of recruiting. As for our Q1 financial results, the combination of organic growth and expense discipline led to adjusted EPS of $4.21. Gross profit was $1.066 billion up $59 million sequentially. As for the components, commission and advisory fees net of payout were $260 million up $41 million from Q4, primarily driven by higher advisory fees and a seasonally lower production bonus.
Our payout rate was 86.6%, down 100 basis points from Q4, largely due to the seasonal reset of the production bonus at the beginning of the year. Looking ahead to Q2, we anticipate our payout rate will increase to approximately 87.5%, primarily driven by the typical seasonal build and the production moves. With respect to client cash revenue, it was $373 million down roughly $1 million from Q4. Looking at overall client cash balances, they ended the quarter at $46 billion down $2 billion sequentially, driven by advisory fees paid during the quarter. Outside of those fees, cash balances were flat to Q4. As for our ICA portfolio, the mix of fixed rate balances increased to roughly 65%, within our target range of 50% to 75%. Looking more closely at our ICA yield, it was 323 basis points in Q1, up six basis points from Q4.
As for Q2, based on where client cash balances and interest rates are today, we expect our ICA yield to decline by a few basis points. As for service and fee revenue, it was $132 million in Q1, up $1 million from Q4. Looking ahead to Q2, we expect service and fee revenue to be roughly flat sequentially. Moving on to Q1 transaction. It was $57 million up $3 million sequentially as trading volume increased slightly. As we look ahead to Q2, based on typical seasonality and activity levels to-date, we would expect transaction revenue to decline by a few million from Q1. Now, let’s turn to expenses starting with core G&A. It was $364 million in Q1. For the full-year, we continue to anticipate core G&A to be in a range of $1.455 billion to $1.490 billion.
As a reminder, this is prior to expenses associated with Prudential and Atria. Moving on to Q1 promotional expense. It was $132 million down $6 million from Q4 due to lower onboarding costs for large institutions. Looking ahead to Q2, we expect promotional expense to increase by approximately $10 million sequentially, due to increased transition assistance resulting from strong recruiting and large institutional onboarding as we prepare for Prudential to join us in the fourth quarter. Looking at share-based compensation expense, it was $23 million in Q1, up $7 million from Q4. As we look ahead, we anticipate this expense to be at a similar level in Q2. Turning to depreciation and amortization, it was $67 million in Q1, down $1 million sequentially.
Looking ahead to Q2, we expect depreciation and amortization to increase by roughly $5 million sequentially, which includes technology development for Prudential. Regarding capital management, our balance sheet remains strong. We ended Q1 with corporate cash of $311 million up $127 million from Q4. Our leverage ratio was 1.6 times flat with Q4. As a reminder, we expect to close our acquisition of Atria in the second half of this year and plan to finance the transaction through a combination of cash and debt. Following the close, we continue to expect leverage to be approximately two times near the midpoint of our target leverage range. As for capital deployment, our framework remains focused on allocating capital aligned with the returns we generate, investing in organic growth first and foremost, pursuing M&A where appropriate and returning excess capital to shareholders.
In Q1, we deployed capital across our entire framework as we continue to invest to drive and support organic growth, allocated capital to M&A within our Liquidity and Succession solution and return capital to our shareholders, repurchasing $70 million of shares in January. We’ve paused share repurchases for the last two months of the quarter to ensure we maintain a strong and flexible capital position we closed in our acquisition of Atria. Following the close expected in the second half of this year, we will evaluate restarting share repurchases consistent with our existing capital frame. In closing, we delivered another quarter of strong business and financial results. As we look forward, we remain excited about the opportunities we see to continue investing to serve our advisors, grow our business and create long-term shareholder value.
With that, operator, please open the call for questions. Question-and-Answer Session Operator Thank you. [Operator Instructions] And, our first question is going to come from the line of Devin Ryan with Citizens JMP. Your line is open. Please go ahead.
Devin Ryan: Hey, great. Thanks. Good afternoon, Dan and Matt. First question, just want to dig in a little bit on recruited assets had a really nice quarter up 57% year-over-year, but also a bit stronger than the net new asset trend, and maybe that’s just a January dynamic. But, just want to maybe dig in a little bit about the divergence that you saw this quarter between those two metrics? And, then more broadly on recruited assets and the outlook, it sounds like you’re still seeing a really good recruiting pipeline. So, just love to get a little more context on that and kind of what you’re seeing between both legacy channels and some of the newer affiliation channels?
Dan H. Arnold: Yes. So Devin, it’s Dan. Let me try to go in maybe a sequential order around those questions that is helpful. So, first maybe let me just a take Q1 I think organic growth which I heard inside your question, so during the quarter we posted 5% organic growth and given the seasonality we typically see in Q1, we would have expected that to be more like 7%. And, while the underlying drivers of the business were strong, there were a couple of things in the quarter that drove the roughly 2% difference. The first was some impact from the timing of onboarding recruiting, which equated to roughly 1% to Q1 organic growth. And, that’s just really a function of the recruiting as we mentioned I think back in January’s call, lot of it happening in the second half of the quarter.
And, that gives you a little tailwind going into second quarter. And, then the second thing that we mentioned last quarter as well was that there were two acquired practices that departed in January, which accounted for 1% impact to our attrition. So, outside of those impacts, which we would categorize as a bit of noise, the underlying drivers that set us up well for the rest of the year remained intact, and that’s where you were getting at that record level of recruiting, strongest pipelines that we’ve had ever historically and our continued low levels of advisor attrition that are consistent with the experience over the last couple of years. So, feel good coming out of the quarter and how we see that opportunity emerge over the remainder of the year.
I think you mentioned a bit of the perhaps, how we think about new stores specifically or recruiting going forward maybe was second part of your question. And I think, look, we had a really nice quarter, $20 billion in recruited assets. You see significant growth year-on-year across all affiliation models. And, at the same time, that expanded addressable market, our increasing win rates, it’s driving that deep pipeline that I mentioned, as deep a pipeline as we’ve seen and certainly is supportive of where we head going forward. And, that gives us a really solid conviction that we’re well-positioned to continue to win a larger share of advisors in motion with respect to recruiting. And, I think when you add them to that the committed wins we have in the large institution marketplace, that sets up with a solid opportunity with respect to new store sales as we move forward.
So hopefully, that gives you a little color on the quarter and then a little color around the recruiting.
Devin Ryan: Yes. Thanks, Dan, really helpful. And just a follow-up, this is kind of interrelated, but just on the economics of all that. So, the theme of competition in the space has continually been coming up. I know it’s always a competitive market, so nothing that’s really new. But, we look at transition assistance, it’s up 6% sequentially, 25% year-over-year. I know that’s directionally trending with growth. But, can you maybe just talk a little bit about kind of competitive dynamics and kind of the economics around recruiting and transition assistance and how you feel like LPL is positioned around kind of those economics, let’s say, transition deals are maybe a little bit higher than they have been? Thanks.
Dan H. Arnold: Yes. Let me start that. And then, Matt, you add any color on economics that you think would be helpful. So, look, I think with respect to the recruiting environment, right, we always start with the opportunity set. Advisor movement over the last 12 months has hovered around 5%, which remains lower than the historical norms. That said, despite those low overall movement, our win rates continue to move higher. And certainly, that’s an encouraging trend relative to how we think about the opportunity set. And then two, I think when we think about the environment, we look at the competitive landscape and the participants have remained largely the same as do the priorities that advisors are looking for when they evaluate their options to potentially move.
And as a reminder, the first priority is around capabilities, technology and service. And, that’s where we continue to further distinguish ourselves as we invest back into our model. Next, is the ongoing economics, which haven’t changed significantly overtime. And, I think in the independent space especially create a compelling and interesting scenario for advisors. And then lastly, you get transition assistance rates, which we’ve seen pretty stable over the last year and feel good about how we’re well-positioned across our portfolio of different affiliation models in terms of how we support that advisor to make that transition. So, given all of that, the strength of our overall value proposition continues to resonate. And, we remain really confident that the ongoing appeal of our model positions us well to sustain our industry-leading win rates and market share gains.
I don’t know, you want to add anything to that, Matt?
Matthew J. Audette: I wouldn’t really, not really add, Dan. I just underscore the point I think on, Devin on capabilities is really what matters from a decisioning standpoint on advisors and where they’re joining firms. And, I think from a TA standpoint, as Dan said, the rates have really been stable for quite a while. I think it’s for us and the growth there, it’s more about the recruited AUM itself that’s coming on board, which I know you see and follow the numbers. But Q1, which is typically the seasonally lowest quarter of the year, bringing in $20 billion prior to any large financial institutions, I think is the driver there. So, it’s about the level of recruiting. TA rates have been pretty stable.
Devin Ryan: Yes, that’s great. Thanks, guys.
Operator: Thank you. And, one moment as we move to the next question. And, our next question is going to come from the line of Alex Blostein with Goldman Sachs. Your line is open. Please go ahead.
Alex Blostein: Hey, good afternoon, everyone. Thank you for the question. You guys mentioned Liquidity and Succession a couple of times this afternoon and it’s been coming up in prior calls as well. So, maybe level set for us kind of where that business is today, just maybe in terms of size or AUM, however you want to frame it? And, how meaningful do you expect this to be to your organic growth targets, which I guess continue to be in the high-single-digit range in terms of NNA over the next couple of years?
Matthew J. Audette: Yes. Alex, I’ll start there just on some of the maybe the economics and capacity parts of your question. I think we’re quite bullish on this offering and the solution. The economics are compelling. And, I think from a capacity standpoint, I think there are ultimately limitations on the number of deals we can do in a given year. So, if you look at what we’ve done since we launched the program, it’s been 27 to-date. I think we look at our team in capacity and how you bring these practices on board. I think probably max capacity per year, I would think about in the 30 zone to 40 zone. So, then when you put the financial aspects against that from a capital standpoint, we’re applying capital consistent with M&A framework.
So, there we’ll deploy capital here at about the six times to eight times EBITDA range. These deals are relatively small in the $10 million to $20 million zone, and I would say, skewed toward closer to the $10 million side of it. And then financially, the economics are pretty attractive and that the ROA of these firms effectively doubles when we purchase them. So, if you’re in the think of the 30 basis point zone, we’d be earning 60 basis points once we own the practice. That’s largely a function of the reduced payout to the advisors. That’s where you would see those economics show up. So, those are the economics. So, I think it’s really financially compelling, but I think maybe even more exciting or more compelling is really the strategic value of this solution, maybe, Dan, that’d be better, if you want to jump in there.
Alex Blostein: Hey, Dan. I’m sorry. I don’t think we could hear you unfortunately, I don’t know if it’s my phone or maybe other people having this issue.
Dan H. Arnold: No, no. It was user error on my fault, on my part. Sorry about that. So, let me start over. And again, I think as we’ve discussed before, our opportunity set is really driven by trying to solve that big strategic question of how do we help potentially as many as a third advisors retire and transition their businesses over the next 10 years. And, while there are a variety of options that are available in the marketplace, we think ours is really differentiated and a compelling one and a very elegant way to help these advisors transition their practices to take care of them, take care of their teams, take care of their clients and ultimately create a bridge to the next entrepreneurial leader or owner. And in that spirit, I think since we’ve rolled it out to our advisors, it’s been, which was late in 2022, it’s been very, very appealing for those that are exploring those possibilities.
And as Matt said, we closed roughly 27 deals to-date. And, given the success with our existing advisors, now we’ve extended the question to the external marketplace and in fourth quarter began to explore how we could help those advisors that aren’t on the LPL platform with the same type of solution to that big question of how do they transition their practices. And as we mentioned, we were fortunate enough to close our first deal in Q1, and we’ve got a pretty solid pipeline building there. So, I think we see it as this multidimensional opportunity to supporting and helping our existing advisors, which extends those assets on our platform for another generation of advisors. And then two, also as a catalyst for growth complement the other opportunities that we focus on and have to drive growth.
And, we think it’s a compelling differentiated solution, a little hard to replicate. So, we think it will resonate in the external market. Hope that helps.
Alex Blostein: Great. No, that’s very helpful. So, my second question, kind of related, I guess, to some of the new initiatives. You guys have been super busy in the last few months with a number of deals, Atria obviously being on the larger size. How should we think about the capacity for incremental M&A, call it, over the next 12 months, as we sort of waiting for Atria to close and then obviously you guys have to integrate it? And, then as part of this Atria conversation, maybe you can hit on the competitive dynamics in the bank channel post this deal given that they were a pretty sizable player there? Thank you.
Dan H. Arnold: Yes. So I think, listen, relative to onboarding these programs and making sure that we have the ability to support and scale them, I think, is something that we’ve been working on since the good fortune of onboarding, some of the larger financial institutions, BMO and M&T in 2021. And, so our guiding principle when we explore any growth initiative, whether it’s organic win like the large institutions or even an acquisition like Atria is to ensure that we’re going to continue to deliver an exceptional experience to our existing advisors and that then we provide a seamless transition for advisors that are joining our platform. And, in that spirit, we’ve continued to evolve our transition approach, because we’ve iterated, we’ve improved and gotten a lot better.
Over the last few years, we established a disciplined operating rigor. We used seasoned runbooks and automation, all in the spirit of delivering a high-quality successful outcomes that are repeatable and sustainable. And, with each iteration, as I mentioned, we continue to enhance the efficiency and efficacy of how we execute the onboarding process. Now, the important part about that is that certainly then improves and enhances the quality that we deliver, but also the pace at which we can deliver these. And, I think as we continue to go forward with each iteration, we adopt new ideas, new concepts, new ways of which to do them in a simpler and faster way. And, we’ll continue to work on that and iterate that I think will help us not only deliver an industry leading on boarding experience, but do it in the simplest and fastest way possible in the marketplace.
So, that’s sort of the context of how we think about increasing the capacity to support that ongoing opportunity. I think and then your second question, please remind me what it was.
Alex Blostein: Sorry, just the competitive positioning in the bank’s channel, institutional’s channel after you guys integrated, because they were a sizable player there and now you have obviously more presence in that channel with them eventually under your umbrella?
Dan H. Arnold: Yes. So again, I think we’ve seen that marketplace as sort of an emerging opportunity where we took a novel concept back in 2020ish and began to operate through the marketplace and establish a significant advantage from just having market share, developing and growing IP around how to support and serve those clients, and then ultimately, continuing to evolve our capability set to make sure that we can help them in terms of their risk profile or posture around this business line or service, increase or enhance financial results or financial performance of their programs to create operational efficiency and scalability into their programs and then ultimately, to support them with growth. If we can do that within this value proposition and then have the advantage of the history and the experience of operating and working with these clients, the better practice at onboarding through the change management, a very complex effort.
So, that gives us a distinctive advantage in the marketplace that we think really resonates when we go out and share that with any perspective on new clients. So, I think we feel great about our positioning in the marketplace, the insights and perspectives that we can bring forward that have enriched our value proposition that again is hard to do if you hadn’t had the experience in doing it. So, that’s how we think about that leadership. We think it’s pretty durable and an interesting ongoing growth opportunity.
Alex Blostein: Awesome. Great. Thanks so much.
Operator: Thank you. And, one moment as we move on to our next question. And, our next question is going to come from the line of Steven Chubak with Wolfe Research. Your line is open. Please go ahead.
Steven Chubak: Hi. Good afternoon, Dan. Good afternoon, Matt.
Dan H. Arnold: Hello. So, I wanted to start with a follow-up on just the Liquidity and Succession discussion. Matt, you alluded to some of the limitations on the pace of deployment, but was hoping you could just speak to the cadence now that this has been launched externally that we should be contemplating. And, given the higher year-on-year payout ratio guide for 2Q, when should we expect to see those reductions in the advisor payout rate as some of that Liquidity and Succession accretion really starts to come through?
Matthew J. Audette: Yes. I think on that last point, right. I think when you look at the payout, there’s a handful of things going on. But, I think you’re already seeing it within the payout rate, just based on the 27 deals we’ve done so far. So, maybe if you just looked at payout rate year-over-year for Q1, so just to eliminate kind of seasonal production build. And as a reminder, the Q1 payout for last year had a 40 basis point kind of catch up one timer. So overall, payout was flat year-over-year. And, there’s two things in there that actually drove payout up a little bit. The first is, kind of, building on what Dan was just talking through, the institution channel and the growth in the institution channel, which I think you know has a much higher payout than the average, also has a much lower cost to serve, lower TA rates.
So, when you get down to things, bottom line economics like op margins quite compelling. But, if you’re just looking at the payout rate, you’re going to see that grow as that business grows. And, then we had some pricing reductions or pricing investments on our corporate advisory platform. We had announced those last year. Those took effect in the first quarter. So, yes, those two things that drive payout up, but then liquidity and succession did drive payout down to offset that. So, there are moving parts in there, but you are absolutely starting to see that show up in the payout rate. Maybe not on an individual quarter-to-quarter, just given the size of our overall business, but you are starting to see that over time. I think on the capacity point, and not sure where you’re specifically going with that, so maybe just follow-up if we’re not hitting that.
But, I think overall, when you look at whether it’s internal or external and you think through the process to onboard these teams, make sure we’re putting the proper field management in place, all the complexities associated with it. That’s really where the 30 deals to 40 deals per year comes from, just to make sure that we’re bringing those onboard in a way that really delivers the strategic value that Dan was describing earlier.
Steven Chubak: That’s really helpful color, Matt. And, for my follow-up, just a question on cash levels and expectations around reinvestment. Just given the significant number of fixed rate contracts coming due, I believe roughly $6 billion over the next three quarters, Where are those fixed contracts going to get renewed relative to that 240 basis point back book? And, should we expect that that’s all going to be renewed in fixed rate contracts given that we are starting to see some signs of cash stabilization?
Matthew J. Audette: Yes. I mean, I think on the plans to renew, I think we like being in the center of that range, that 50% to 75% range, which is where we are now. So, we’ll make decisions and judgments about that. But I think with a stable cash balance and being at 65%, I think it’s a fair assumption to assume our plans would be to renew. When you look maybe just to look at the next quarter, so not to go too far out, the maturities that $2 billion of maturities are towards the end of next quarter. And, those specifically are at 200 basis points right now. So, they’re kind of below that average for the year. And, if you look at where we would typically place in the three year to five year range, where that marketplace is, I think in today’s market, you can assume in the 450 basis point range is where we’d place those.
So, of course, things can move between now and the end of Q2. But, where we’re sitting right now, you’d be going from 200 basis points up to the mid-450s on that $ 2billion.
Steven Chubak: Very helpful, Matt. Thanks for taking my questions.
Operator: Thank you. And one moment as we move on to our next question. And, our next question is going to come from the line of Michael Cyprys with Morgan Stanley. Your line is open. Please go ahead.
Michael Cyprys: Great. Thank you. Good afternoon. Maybe just circling back to the enterprise channel, you guys have had a lot of success there over the past couple of years. I’m just hoping you could talk a little bit about the pipeline for new mandates, how those conversations are evolving? And, then on the PRU platform, more broadly on that, I was hoping maybe you could speak a little bit into the platform that you’ve customized and built for PRU, just how that differs from what you’ve done with other enterprise clients and how you might be able to take the sort of capability set into other channels or markets over time?
Dan H. Arnold: Yes. So, with respect to the institution pipeline, we have continued opportunity to, it swings in the batter’s box in the large bank space. Obviously, we’ve had an established series of a number of years of success in bringing those clients on and the success that those institutions are having once on the platform from a financial performance standpoint, from new capabilities and solutions and features, I think, certainly reinforces the value that the model can provide them and thus helps us in those ongoing dialogues with other opportunities within the bank space. That’s about a $1 trillion opportunity or marketplace. And, so there’s a number of opportunities that remain out there, and we’re encouraged by the dialogue that we’re having, in that part of the marketplace.
And, then I think also with the win with PRU, right, we expanded that market to include kind of wealth management solutions that are owned or operated by product manufacturers and specifically insurance companies. And, I think that certainly, that win created the opportunity to have a number of dialogues at companies that are similar in nature to Prudential and certainly exploring the possibilities of outsourcing, an outsourcing solution wasn’t always available in that part of the marketplace. And, so though a longer sales cycle and a sort of longer iterative consultative approach to that, we are encouraged by the emerging dialogue and discussions we’re having in that part of the market. I think that’s your first question. Your second one asked again, please?
Michael Cyprys: Sorry, the first part was just on the pipeline for new mandates and conversations. And, then the second part was just around the PRU custom built platform and opportunities to take that elsewhere to other markets or channels over time?
Dan H. Arnold: Yes. Thank you. Sorry. So I think I answered the first one. So, on the second half, with respect to some of the capabilities that we’re thinking about relative to PRU, part of the opportunity in exploring that and solving for that, was I think creating what I think are two interesting applications that are somewhat novel in the marketplace today. The first one is the expansion of our platform that will enable the product manufacturer and the LPL suite of products to exist in a single experience. And, if you think about that relative to insurance as an example, that can be a really important element and differentiator where you get a really seamless integrated solution set across your entire product offering.
And, again, that’s kind of a novel concept and a hypothesis of a lot of folks thinking, wow, that would be a really interesting thing to solve for. And, I think inside this opportunity, we’re solving for that. So, we’re really encouraged about that. And again, once you do that, that can be valuable to any a number of other different larger institutions that might value that. Second one would be an integrated operating platform within that workflows connectivity not only to our systems, but to the parent and third-party systems. And, so it’s kind of a cool operational efficiency, again, across the landscape business they do. It makes it easy for them to collaborate, operate and work with us in a very integrated way. So, those are just two things.
I think we think are really, again, interesting and differentiating for them, but also a foothold to other potential prospects. Hope that helps. Thanks.
Michael Cyprys: Great. Thank you. Just a follow-up question, if I could, just on client cash. Just curious what you’re seeing in terms of underlying client behavior. I realize the cash allocation a bit lower today versus historical. But, when you look at the customer behavioral trends under the hood with cash going in and out of the account. Just curious, is there anything different now that you’re seeing relative to historical? And, as you kind of look out from here, is there certain macro or rate environment that you think would be helpful in terms of catalyzing cash allocations to [Grind Tire] (ph)?
Matthew J. Audette: Hey, Michael. Yeah, I think, I mean, the headline is and I think you can see it in our metrics. I think we’ve seen stability in the category of near full deployment for quite some time now, right. Look at Q1 results and cash balances kind of remained in that just above 3% zone, largely coming down just by fees in the quarter. So, I think you’re starting to get to that place where you’re really at full deployment. And, I think from an environment standpoint and where things could go, I think history is the best guide. I think we’re in a place where clients are fully deployed, the equity markets are rising, interest rates are high, and they’re fully deployed in the market. And I think when we’ve seen environments that are the opposite of that, where they’re in more of a defensive position, you see cash balances come back up, right.
That doesn’t feel like that, of course, in the moment, but I think that is the behavior we’ve seen time-and-time again. And, I think that’s the dynamic we would expect to continue. All that being said, I’d just emphasize we are seeing that stability where cash is really coming down for things like paying fees and things as opposed to deployment in the marketplace has gotten pretty stable in the last quarter or so.
Michael Cyprys: Great. Thank you.
Operator: Thank you. And, one moment as we move on to our next question. And, our next question is going to come from the line of Dan Fannon with Jefferies. Your line is open. Please go ahead.
Dan Fannon: Thanks. Good afternoon. Matt, I was hoping you could talk to the factors that are going to get us or get you towards the low-end or the high-end of your G&A growth for this year and now that we’re four months in kind of where you think you’re tracking based upon current trends?
Matthew J. Audette: Yes. I mean, I think when you look at just the first quarter, right, from an annualized rate, we’re at the low-end of that guidance. And, I think when you look ahead to Q2, we’d probably be something in a similar zone. So, I think we feel good that we are tracking towards our guidance overall. I think the things that can move us within that range are similar to things that are in the prior years, which is more about our levels of organic growth opportunities that we see during the year that really drive whether it be variable costs, variable compensation or the costs associated with that growth. But, the headline I would give is, we feel comfortable of landing within that zone. And, just a reminder that it’s prior to expenses associated with PRU and Atria. And, to the extent that those impact core G&A, we’ll give updates later in the year on that. The headline is we feel good.
Dan Fannon: Understood. And then, Dan, I was hoping you could provide some updated thoughts around the DOL rule. Obviously, we got the full proposal last week. Any, changes to how you were thinking about it and what you said previously?
Dan H. Arnold: Yes. So, as you said, been a hot topic over the last week since the release. But look, the headline is that I think the final rule reflects some hopeful changes from the original proposal and generally better aligns with the SEC’s Reg BI, which we believe is a good thing for investors. And, as you probably have seen, the rules are scheduled to become effective in September. Although there is a one year transition period for firms that acknowledge fiduciary status and comply with specified conduct standards. So, that’s probably a long winded way to say there’s probably a year time line in and around getting any changes that need to be required or made in your compliance programs in place, such that you can fill those new responsibilities.
That said, our team is working to finalize the design and implementation of our compliance program. And again, we feel good about that preparation and the ability to execute around the effective framework effective dates and framework that we’ve seen thus far. We’re able to leverage some of the work we did in 2016, which ultimately wasn’t implemented. In addition to some work that we’ve already done connected to Reg BI. So, at the same time, there are a few areas like around rollovers where we’ll have to deploy new approaches and solutions. Again, we think they’re solvable for us, I think all that said, it’s safe to assume that there will be litigation challenging the rule, as there was the case with successful litigation we saw back in response to the 2016 rule.
So, all of that could potentially impact both the compliance approach that any of us take in the time line. So, the jury is out on that, but we do think it was a better landing spot than we originally used.
Dan Fannon: Great. Thank you.
Operator: Thank you. And, one moment as we move on to our next question. And, our next question is going to come from the line of Bill Katz with TD Cowen. Your line is open. Please go ahead.
Bill Katz: Thank you very much for taking the questions. So, just going back to cash for a moment. To the extent that we follow the forward curve from here and I appreciate your comments, Matt, that there’s some cyclicality longer looking on this. But, just sort of using your current AUM base, even if I have sort of apply an 8% growth rate against that and sort of assume a 3% allocation and I adjust for quarterly billings. Should we be thinking of a scenario of sort of flatter client cashier until a more strident change of interest rates as we sort of think through our models?
Matthew J. Audette: Well, I think you’re walking through your model there, Bill. I think the headline point is that if you’re assuming the environment remains the same, I think assuming cash is fully deployed in the market, I think it’s a good assumption. I think the point you’re making as we continue to grow, that growth does come with cash. So, I think modeling that versus the fees we pay and things of that nature, I think, is a good way to look at it. And, maybe the bottom line, I think when you look at the cash as a percent of AUM where we are in that low kind of 3% zone, you’re certainly getting the point of friction from going below that when you’ve got to have certain amount of cash to manage rebalancing, paying fees, facilitating withdrawals.
So, just a natural resistance when you get down to the levels that we are. So, I think that was where you were probing, but those levels would be what makes sense to us and there’s certainly cash that comes along with growth if that’s what you’re trying to confirm.
Bill Katz: Okay. Thank you. That’s helpful. And, then just one clarification and one question. You mentioned that your ICA yield might be down a couple of basis points quarter-on-quarter. And, I guess I’m a little surprised just given the high reinvestment rates and you’re getting more favorable growth spread on the Fed Fund on the variable side. So, can you just maybe explain that? But the broader question I have is going on to just the liquidity and services opportunity success, excuse me. Could you talk a little bit about maybe the external one, Dan, you sort of highlighted that you sort of secured your first one, so congrats on that. What’s the shape and size of that look like? And, then just from a devil’s advocate perspective, if you’re getting 60 basis points on that incremental deployment, why not ratchet that up and slow some of the lower gross profit ROA, but larger transactions in the enterprise side?
Maybe help me understand the puts and takes as you think about capital allocation? Thanks so much.
Dan H. Arnold: All right. I’ll start with part one of your seven part question there. I think on the ICA yield, just the timing. So, I think when you at the decline quarter-over-quarter, the fixed rate maturity that I think we would reinvest at from 200 basis points to 450 basis points, that comes at the very end of the quarter. So, if you just look at where cash balances are at the moment, you would just have a movement of those variable ones. I think the point I would hit is it’s really that maturity just coming at the end of the quarter. So, you’ll see that benefit pull through assuming it comes in at the rates that we talked through. They’re in the marketplace right now. You just see that come through in the third quarter.
I think on the L&S economics, and maybe I’ll just give a comment there and then turn it over to, Dan. I think it’s not necessarily about pure decisions on capital allocation where to put it. I think it’s about these advisors and finding a succession offering that works for them and doing in a way that is very thoughtful and helpful and lands them on our platform and really hits the marks of the really strategic benefits of the transaction itself. And, I think that’s what leads to our thoughts on the capacity of 30 to 40 a year as opposed to just some financial choice. And maybe, Dan, if there’s anything you want to add to that.
Dan H. Arnold: Yes. So Bill, you were speaking to the opportunities set again, it goes back to in many cases, what we’re solving for is the succession for these advisors. And, I think given the size of that need has driven the proliferation of maybe innovation in that area to try to solve for it. And, so if it’s there’s 300,000 advisors in the marketplace and a third of them are going to retire over the next 10 years, that would be your total opportunity set. I think for now, a lot of these transactions have been targeted for a little larger practices, because to do these transactions, it’s just it could be a complex administrative process to work through it. And, so it’s probably not fair to say then it’s all 100,000 that are retiring in the next 10 years as the opportunity set.
That said, the constraints around the administrative complexity to do these deals will certainly get easier as everyone in the marketplace learns, iterates, evolves, how to do that. And, that constraint then will allow that capacity to go up. And, as firms learn how to onboard these folks and do it in a highly successful way, then again, I think that constraint will go up. And, you’ll see increased number and sizes of these over time. And, so that’s how we think at least about, how we think about the opportunity set and make sure that we have the compelling value proposition to support these folks once they transition over and once we serve them in the context and capacity that they are being served in as an employee of LPL and thus as a part of a transition of a succession plan over probably the five year period of time.
We’re delivering value and capabilities that we’ve built in a lot of our affiliation models that will enable us to do that really efficient and effective way. So, we can scale that, where we couldn’t have if we didn’t have the three years or four years of experience in building those capabilities. And so, I think it’s just that front-end administrative operational work of doing these deals. And as again, if we get more efficient at them, we’ll scale it up. We do think, again, it’s compelling opportunity that is some relevant for folks that are in traditional employee based models. It’s relevant for anyone that has their own independent business. It’s trying to explore how to transition to business and create a succession outcome that’s good for them.
So, it is a relevant business across the sorry, relevant opportunity across the industry. And again, I think we’ll continue to innovate, evolve and get better and better at it. I suspect we’ll have competition out in the marketplace because it’s a big problem to solve. But we think we’ve got a good head start and good infrastructure of which to leverage and scale on.
Bill Katz: Thanks for taking all the questions.
Operator: Thank you. And, one moment as we move on to our next question. And, our last question is going to come from the line of Benjamin Budish with Barclays. Your line is open. Please go ahead.
Benjamin Budish: Hi, good afternoon, and thanks for taking the question. I wanted to first maybe one more follow-up on cash levels, but maybe asking about the April update more holistically. So on cash, it sort of sounds like your comment about the variable piece moving with given the timing of advisor payments and taxes, perhaps the cash continues to decline in April, but you also sound quite optimistic on the recruiting pipeline. Any color you can give on in terms of what you’re seeing there in terms of net new assets in April? I know the month is almost at an end.
Matthew J. Audette: Yes, you bet. I mean, I think we’ve got one more day of data to see. But, the headline I’d give you on April is that, it’s shaping up to be a bit better than you would expect, especially given the seasonality that you hinted at in your question of what you see in April. So, starting first on client cash balances, the two seasonal factors that do hit April are first to your point taxes, right. Taxes get paid in April. That for us typically reduces cash by about $1.5 billion. And, then the second factor is advisory fees. Those primarily come out in the first month of the quarter, April obviously being the first month of Q2. That reduces cash by about $1.4 billion. So, those two seasonal factors together, all else equal would drive a decline of nearly $3 billion in cash sweep for the month.
But, to the point on stability outside of those factors, we actually have seen cash balances grow by over $1 billion. So, you net it all out and cash balances for the month of April are down just $1.5 billion, where we sit right now. And, then to your point on organic growth, we’re continuing to see the strength that we’ve talked about in Q1. Those same dynamics, taxes and advisory fees do hit NNA in the month of April. That would reduce NNA by about $3 billion or about 3%. But outside of that, when you factor in the recruiting levels that we’ve had that have, that ramped that’s come into April as well as we continue to see from a strength in the month of April. We’re seeing organic growth in the 5% to 6% zone, which as a reminder April is typically the slowest month of the year from a growth standpoint.
So, at 5% to 6% for that month, I think it’s a solid start to the quarter.
Benjamin Budish: Great. And, then maybe my follow-up. Just in terms of promotional expenses, I guess, two questions. One, can you unpack a little bit the Prudential related expenses? I guess, how much was in Q1? And, then for the step-up you indicated in Q2, how much are you expecting that’s PRU specific versus the increase on the TA side? And, then at a high level, can you kind of just walk us through what happens over the next like year or say with Prudential and Atria? For Prudential, I understand there are promo expenses coming off for Atria, presumably, there’s a separate M&A spend, but TA, which should be ramping up. So, how are you thinking about the growth in that line over the next, say, four quarters? Thank you.
Matthew J. Audette: Yes, you bet. I mean, I think when you look at specific to Q1 and PRU, we had about $17 million of promo related expense related to PRU in Q1. We’d actually expected in the low $20 million range. It’s a little bit why promotional came in a little bit better than we had guided. And, the reason why next quarter is up by about $10 million, it’s really a shifting of the timing of spend related to PRU. I think when you look at the overall year to your question on what’s going to drive promotional and I’ll get to the PRU specific pieces of that. But, I think there’s really three factors when you look at the full-year. And, the first in Q1 is organic growth, right. It’s through and specifically from recruiting that we talked a little about earlier in the call, primarily the level and amount of recruited AUM that comes onto the platform with Q1 at a record prior to large financial institutions.
The good momentum we have going into Q2, I think we feel like that will be a key driver of promotional expense going up this year for a very good reason, that it’s the recruited assets coming on the platform with TA rates really stable. The other item is our conference spend, right. So, that is really in-line with the size and scale of the firm our conferences are aware, we get together. We connect with our advisor there really important, really valuable, and we would scale that with the size of the firm. And then lastly, to the point in your question on Prudential, Atria really wouldn’t impact promotional this year, but Prudential would. And, just as a reminder for that deal overall, we estimate $325 million of spend to bring them on, $200 million of that is in technology spend that, Dan gave a little bit of color on earlier.
And, then the other $125 million is really onboarding integration cost. That’s what shows up in promotional. We’ve incurred a little over $40 million so far through the first quarter. So, the remaining $80 million to $85 million that will primarily come through in the remainder of this year. So, those are the drivers, and hopefully, that gives you a little bit of a double click on Prudential itself.
Benjamin Budish: Very helpful. Thank you.
Matthew J. Audette: You bet.
Operator: Thank you. And, I would now like to hand the conference back to Dan Arnold, for any closing remarks.
Dan H. Arnold: Yes. I just want to thank everyone for taking the time to join us this afternoon, and we look forward to speaking with you again next quarter. Thank you.
Operator: This concludes today’s conference call. Thank you for participating. You may now disconnect.