Lennox International Inc. (NYSE:LII) Q3 2023 Earnings Call Transcript

Joe O’Dea: I guess wanted to start on just 2024 and your comments around volume growth and consistent incrementals and just touch on the volume growth side of that a little bit and in particular, on the resi side and just the dynamic you consider as kind of the setup for 2024, maybe some kind of comp benefits, so a little bit of absence of destock but then other factors you’re considering kind of how you’re thinking about that volume algorithm?

Michael Quenzer: Yes, that was the one that you just touched on. The absence of the destock that’s obviously going to revert next year. So, we will see that pick up on the indirect side of our business. And then outside of that, we still expect the economy to continue to grow in low single-digit PDP and with that, we see the replacement market continue to expand. We’ll get some volume there, potentially some share gains as well in residential. And then, we talked about, we still see good visibility into next year on the commercial after many years of being down in the industry. We’re going to continue to see that grow as we talk with national accounts. They have big planned replacement programs going for several years to come, and we see that as a volume tailwind next year.

Joe O’Dea: And then on the fourth quarter implied margin step down, you touched on commercial, it sounds like nothing more than typical seasonality? Can you also touch on resi because it looks like what’s implied is a larger-than-normal sequential step down? Is there anything within resi that’s adding any kind of abnormal pressure versus typical seasonality?

Michael Quenzer: We’ll have a little bit of headwind from absorption. As you saw in Q3, we started to ramp down our inventory levels. We had some absorption headwind in Q3. We’ll see some more of that in the Q4, so we get the inventory levels to where we want to be and maximize our cash flow this year. Then next year, we start to grow inventories again as we transition to the new refer product, you get the absorption benefit back next year.

Joe O’Dea: Okay. And so when we think about the third quarter and fourth quarter kind of this margin move, a bigger impact on resi than what we would see on commercial. Is that reasonable?

Michael Quenzer: Yes.

Operator: Our next question comes from the line of Brett Linzey with Mizuho. Please go ahead.

Brett Linzey: Congrats to Joe and Michael. I wanted to come back to price. And understandably, there’s a lot of moving pieces on the regulatory in terms of price mix and everything in resi. But thinking more broadly to commercial, I guess as your lead times and your ability to serve does improve here. Does it give you an inherent price entitlement? And how should we think about that as we flip the calendar here?

Alok Maskara: This is — look, I don’t know if it gives us any additional price entitlement that we have today. So we have done better at getting key account pricing that had been stuck with contracts in the past. We have done better at driving mix appropriately. So getting out of lower margin products and focusing our capacity on the higher-margin business where we have kind of appropriate advantages in terms of both price and performance. As we roll into 2024, beyond the 410A pricing impact that we talked about earlier and towards the tail end of the year, the new 454B units. I don’t think there’s anything incremental beyond those two that we already talked about in getting into there. A lot of the catch-up on national accounts and commercial was done this year and I wouldn’t expect another catch up next year.

Brett Linzey: Okay. Got it. That’s helpful. And then just a follow-up on commercial. I was hoping you might be able to provide a little bit of context on the individual vertical performance within that business. I think you noted last quarter there was a gradual improvement within emergency replacement as you regain your footing there. But does that continue into Q3? And then any color on the individual verticals there?

Alok Maskara: Same trend as Q2, I mean some things like schools are always seasonal, so you will see that tailing off in Q3 compared to Q2 as most of those placements happen in summer. But beyond that, no specific track, and we continue to make inroads, I would call it, into emergency replacement and continue to maintain our key account value and beyond normal seasonality, nothing else specific to point out.

Operator: And our next question comes from the line of Deane Dray with RBC Capital Markets. Please go ahead.

Deane Dray: Maybe I could circle back on the resi destocking this quarter. You said it was decelerated, so it seems to mostly have played out. Has there been any surprises from your perspective?

Alok Maskara: Not really big surprises. I mean, sometimes when we look at the overall industry numbers month-to-month, I think there are some months where we thought it was, wow, really better, some months the way worse. But net-net, not that many surprises, Deane, because I think overall, it’s turning out very much exactly as we thought it would be in terms of when it would end. Now, I think there’s different dynamics between independent distributors and large organized distributors. And just keep in mind that our focus and our exposure is largely to independent distributors versus large organized distributor. For us, it’s played out very similar to what we thought it would.

Deane Dray: Great. And I appreciate the early look on some of the 2024 dynamics was hoping you could expand on the free cash flow implications. Just can you size what that temporary working capital bill might be? And when might that get worked down?

Joe Reitmeier: We’re still formalizing all the plants, but it might be maybe 1% of sales. It’s mostly related to the Commercial business as we ramp up that factor. We’re going to need additional raw material might have a little bit of pre-build on the commercial but also with the 410A equipment since the manufacturing did cut off is kind of at the end of the year for all of that package system. So, that’s really where most of that growth is going to be — and then in addition to that, we’ll have some higher or elevated capital expenditures going into next year as we finish up the factory and finish up the transition of the commercial factor and finish up the investments we need to make to transition our factories to the 454B product. So, CapEx will be elevated maybe kind of $150 million on that for next year as well. And then you ask about burning off that working cap that will take place over 2025.

Operator: Our next question comes from the line of Gautam Khanna with TD Cowen. Please go ahead. Please check your mute button. I am not able to hear you. Gautam, are you — as your mute button undone.

Alok Maskara: I think Gautam moved down in the queue. So maybe go to Steve next the next question.

Operator: Okay one moment, please. Steve Tusa with JPMorgan.