KB Home (NYSE:KBH) Q4 2022 Earnings Call Transcript

KB Home (NYSE:KBH) Q4 2022 Earnings Call Transcript January 11, 2023

Operator: Good afternoon, my name is John and I’ll be your conference operator today. I would like to welcome everyone to the KB Home 2022 Fourth Quarter Earnings Conference Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode, following the company’s opening remarks we will open the lines for questions. Today’s conference call is being recorded and will be available for replay at the company’s website, kbhome.com through February 11. And now, I’d like to turn the call over to Jill Peters, Senior Vice President, Investor Relations. Thank you, Jill, you may begin.

Jill Peters: Thank you, John. Good afternoon, everyone and thank you for joining us today to review our results for the fourth quarter of fiscal 2022. On the call, are Jeff Mezger, Chairman, President and Chief Executive Officer; Rob McGibney, Executive Vice President and Chief Operating Officer; Jeff Kaminski, Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer; Bill Hollinger, Senior Vice President and Chief Accounting Officer; and Thad Johnson, Senior Vice President and Treasurer. During this call, items will be discussed that are considered forward-looking statements within the meaning of the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. These statements are not guarantees of future results and the company does not undertake any obligation to update them.

Due to various factors, including those detailed in today’s press release and in our filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission, actual results could be materially different from those stated or implied in the forward-looking statements. In addition, a reconciliation of the non-GAAP measures referenced during today’s discussion to their most directly comparable GAAP measures can be found in today’s press release and/or on the Investor Relations page of our website at kbhome.com. And with that, here is Jeff Mezger.

Jeff Mezger: Thank you, Jill. Good afternoon everyone and Happy New Year. We are pleased with our financial results in 2022, during which we produced revenues of $6.9 billion, a year-over-year increase of 21%, net income of $817 million, a rise of 45% and diluted earnings per share of $9.09, up 51%. Our top-line growth, together with the expansion of our operating margin to over 15%, drove our return on equity of 470 basis points to 24.6% and contributed to 27% growth in book value per share to over $43. I am proud of our team and their hard work in generating one of the strongest years of financial performance in our company’s history. Although we acknowledge that the homes we delivered this year were sold under different market conditions than we are navigating today.

We also recognize these remarkable results were accomplished despite numerous obstacles, including supply chain issues and municipal delays that significantly extended our construction times, as well as persistent inflation and rising interest rates. Given the current market environment, we are providing guidance today for our 2023 first quarter and for the full year we are only giving a range of expected housing revenues. As we begin 2023, we do so with a significant backlog of over 7,600 homes, valued at roughly $3.7 billion, supporting our revenue projection for the year, while our backlog has become overextended relative to historical levels due to longer build times, we are committed to reducing our cycle times to achieve deliveries within a more traditional timeframe of between six months and seven months from sale to close.

With our Built-to-Order model, our buyers tend to have an emotional attachment to the homes they select, choosing their floor plan on their lot and personalizing the home with their preferred features and finishes. For the most part, buyers are closing when their homes are completed and roughly 90% of our deliverable universe did close during the quarter. Although the cancellation rate on our beginning backlog increased sequentially, it was still below our historical average, and after peaking in November, cancellations declined in December and we anticipate a further moderation in January and February. A significantly higher percentage of our buyers are locked on their mortgage rates as compared to our 2022 third quarter. These buyers, together with our buyers who are paying in cash, which is also increased slightly sequentially, represent close to 80% of our backlog, giving us confidence in our ability to convert our backlog to closings.

With respect to the fourth quarter, we generated total revenues of $1.9 billion and diluted-earnings per share of $2.47, representing a year-over-year increase of nearly 30% in earnings. We achieved an operating income margin of 15.8%, up 290 basis points year-over-year, excluding inventory related charges, driven by both a higher gross margin and lower SG&A ratio as we focused on effectively managing costs. We remain committed to balancing our overhead with our revenues as we continue to open new communities and navigate current market conditions. I acknowledge that we missed deliveries relative to what was implied in our guidance, stemming from a combination of cycle time extensions at the latter stages of construction, higher cancellations on homes that were close to or at completion and ongoing challenges with utility companies in getting communities and homes energized.

We continue to believe that the long-term outlook for the housing market remains favorable. The demographics of the millennials and Gen-Zs are advantageous for our business as we primarily serve the first time and affordable first move up buyers, market segments traditionally comprised of these large and growing cohorts. Although existing home inventory has risen recently, there remains an under-supply of resale homes, particularly at our price points, and with housing starts now down roughly 40% on an annualized basis, the industry is falling further behind in serving the underlying demographic demand. That said, the current housing market continues to be weak in the face of higher mortgage rates, persistent inflationary pressures and an uncertain economic outlook, which have made buyers more cautious since the middle of last year.

Our net orders were 692 as compared to 3,529 in the year ago fourth quarter, stemming from a low level of gross orders and an increase in cancellations. Let me discuss each of these components separately. Given the size of our backlog at the start of the fourth quarter, and with only 210 finished homes available for sale, we prioritized delivering our backlog and protecting our margins rather than pursuing incremental sales in a softer demand quarter. To frame this another way, entering the quarter we had an average of nearly 50 homes in backlog per community at very solid margins and we elected to discount our pricing to a level similar to other new homebuilders to get more sales. We estimate that the impact to our backlog value would have been in the hundreds of millions of dollars.

On our last earnings call in September, we shared that with the rise in interest rates to above 6%, we had seen a softening gross orders trend sequentially. As rates continued higher in October, hitting 7% late in the month, our orders declined further. Then, with rates moving slightly lower in November, gross orders stabilized roughly at October’s level. For the quarter, our gross orders were 2,169 a year-over-year decline of 47%. On a per community basis, our gross absorption pace was 3.1 orders per month. With respect to cancellations, due to the unusually low level of gross orders and our large beginning backlog, we believe looking at cancellations relative to backlog is a good way to understand the dynamics during the quarter. At 14%, our cancellation rate on the 10,756 homes we had in backlog at the start of the fourth quarter represented a sequential increase, although it was still slightly below our historical mid-teens average.

The primary reason for cancellations continue to be buyers lack of confidence to move forward in these uncertain times, even though they qualified for their home purchases and many were locked on their loans. For the quarter, we continue to align starts with our gross sales pace starting roughly 2,000 homes and ended the quarter with about 8,800 homes in production, of which 80% of were sold. return of this 80:20 split unsold and unsold production the strategic range we have historically targeted, we expect to continue to manage our business to these levels. Our priority has been and remains selling Built-to-Order homes, but we have always offered quick move-in homes in each of our communities. We are monitoring local market dynamics and individual community performance, while we continue to emphasize delivering our still large backlog, we are also selectively getting more aggressive on pricing reductions and other concessions on a community-by-community basis ahead of the spring selling season.

By the end of the first quarter, we expect to be taking steps in most of our communities, as we will have delivered more of our existing backlog. Through the first five weeks of our ’23 first quarter, a slower demand period, our net orders are down 72% relative to the comparable prior year period. To support our ’23 projected revenue range and given the actions we are taking, we are targeting net orders in the first quarter to be down 50% — between 50% and 60% year-over-year versus an incredibly strong comparison in the prior period. This translates into net orders of approximately 1,900 at the midpoint of this range. Concurrent with the pricing and concession moves, we are pursuing significant reductions in our construction costs and cycle times.

This will enable us to start homes at lower cost, to help offset the steps we are taking to work with buyers and achieve our sales and delivery targets. With that, let me pause for a moment and ask Rob to provide some color with respect to our sales approach, as well as an operational update. Rob?

Rob McGibney: Thank you, Jeff. Let me start by reiterating our focus on protecting our backlog and generating new orders to rebuild our backlog as it delivers out. This effort requires a deep understanding of the competitive dynamics of each submarket with respect to product, price, concessions and finished inventory in both the new and resale markets, which our sales teams and division leadership are continuously analyzing. I have also been heavily engaged with the teams on this effort. We are utilizing two different sales strategies depending on how many homes we have in the backlog in a community. For communities that have large backlogs, particularly those with far more in backlog than remaining to sell, you’re are placing more emphasis on our temporary interest rate by down and lock programs to help produce sales and de-emphasizing price reductions until more of our backlog is delivered.

While we recognize that price is the most effective sales lever to generate new orders, we also know that if we lower the base price in a community on new sales, many buyers in backlog would expect to receive a similar reduction regardless of the rate in which they may have locked their loan. As a result, it is typically not advantageous for us to lower the base price to a market clearing point in our high backlog communities as the impact to the prices of homes that are resold could be significant, particularly in what is traditionally a slower time of year for sales. That said, we have adjusted pricing in communities with smaller backlogs, where only a small percentage of that backlog will be impacted. The market turned very quickly in the 2022 second half as interest rates rose, and in certain instances, we were able to pull back the most recent price increases without a significant impact to backlog values.

Let me share some examples. We have a community in Austin with over 100 in backlog — 100 homes in backlog at mid 30% margins. Competitors in the submarket are discounting or incentivizing their speculative inventory by $60,000 to $70,000. We are electing to deliver more of the backlog before adjusting price. In Orlando, we have multiple with over 50 homes in backlog and margins approaching 30%. As in Austin, other builders in the submarket are discounting their specs significantly. We are focused on delivering more of our backlog and allowing the market to stabilize before we consider lowering base pricing. In each of these examples, we expect a far better financial result by delivering the homes in backlog to buyers that are awaiting completion of their personalized homes instead of chasing the speculative inventory pricing reductions that are occurring in these markets.

Our strategy with respect to communities with smaller backlogs has defined the market by making the product more affordable through base price reductions in combination with our interest rate buy down and lock programs. For example, we have a community in Phoenix with 18 homes in backlog and 175 remaining to sell. This community opened in May of this year at or near peak pricing. We found the market by lowering the price by $30,000 and our pace has improved as a result. Another example is a community in Raleigh, with about 50 homes in backlog and an equal amount remaining to sell. We had aggressively increased prices in this community prior to the market slowing, so we were able to implement a $30,000 price reduction and only impact a few homes in backlog that were purchased at the higher price.

One of the best illustration where our divisions are heading is our Inland Empire division which benefits from the fastest cycle time in our company. The division has been able to rotate through its backlog more quickly and delivered a higher percentage of its backlog in the fourth quarter. As a result, the Inland Empire division was able to be more aggressive in adjusting prices late in the fourth quarter, defined the market and has achieved the best sales result in all of our divisions quarter-to-date in the 2023 first quarter, still with solid margins. With the strength in sales the IE division is now lifting prices in some communities. Our sales process remains rooted in executing on the fundamentals, ensuring that the community looks pristine from the signage to the models, making certain that we have the right sales staff in place and conducting targeted and thoughtful outreach to our interest list and brokers in the submarket.

Beyond these basics, we’re doing what we think is necessary to generate sales to support our revenue range target for the year. That said, we made each community individually and the examples I shared with you illustrate that every community has its own story. What remains consistent across all our communities is our ongoing rotation into offering smaller more affordable product to expand the qualified buyer pool. While the average footage of homes we delivered in the fourth quarter and those in backlog remained consistent at about 2,100 feet, 70% of our communities offer floor plans at or below 1,600 square feet. We are also value engineering our elevations and interiors along with other cost reduction initiatives to ultimately offer a lower base price to our customers.

Our initiatives are driving our direct costs down and we’ve achieved a $10,000 reduction in the average cost of a homes started in November relative to one started in August. Our teams are currently negotiating more significant cost reductions, particularly in the front end of the construction stages. Build times are coming down in addition to costs. Overall build times improved sequentially by 14 days, and it was bifurcated between the front end and back-end, we experienced a 21 day improvement from sales to frame, but extensions of two days from frame to drywall and five days from drywall to final. While supply chain issues persisted in certain areas, which I will address in a moment, the five day extension from the drywall stage to completion was less about the chronic supply chain issues that have plagued our industry and more about the overall volume of production in our markets combined with ongoing municipal delays and issues related to the availability of electrical infrastructure material as all builders push to complete homes by year-end.

The 21 day improvement from sale to frame is a better reflection of the current market, given the lower volume of homes in production at this stage. The slower sales pace across our industry in the second half of 2022 has resulted in reduced starts and we expect these build time improvements to waterfall through the construction schedule as we move into the first half of 2023. As to building materials, availability is improving for some products that had been long standing issues, such as garage doors and windows, while other areas are still of concern, including electrical components, HVAC equipment and flooring products. Our teams continue to work tirelessly on behalf of our customers to move homes as efficiently as possible through the construction cycle, despite the supply chain issues and trade labor shortages.

We are encouraged by the significant improvement in the front end of our build times and with industry starts lower into the new year, we believe we can gradually return to our historical build times. Each of our divisions has an action plan in place to significantly reduce build times by the end of 2023. And with that, I will turn the call back over to Jeff.

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Jeff Mezger: Thanks, Rob. The credit profile of buyers that use our mortgage joint venture KBHS Home Loans remain strong. For loans we funded during the fourth quarter, 66% of these customers qualified for a conventional mortgage. And while the vast majority of KBHS customers use fixed rate products, we saw an uptick in the use of adjustable rate products, as buyers took advantage of the lower interest rates these products offer. The average cash down payment was 17%, which equates to nearly $87,000. As to income levels, the average household income of these buyers was over $130,000 and their FICO score was 734. While we target immediate household income in our submarkets, we continue to attract buyers above that income level with healthy credit that are able to qualify at higher mortgage rates and make a significant down payment.

In the fourth quarter, we again reduced our land acquisition spend, with investments heavily skewed toward development and related fees. We have also been renegotiating land contracts to reduce purchase prices and extend closing timelines. In certain cases, where we are no longer comfortable that we can achieve our required returns on the investment, we have terminated the contract. We canceled contracts to purchase about 6,900 lots during the quarter, walking away from deposits and due diligence expenses. For the year, we remain balanced in our capital approach, investing $2.4 billion in land acquisition and development and returning over $200 million of cash to stockholders through share repurchases and dividends. Our land spend was lower by about $100 million year-over-year and our investments were heavily weighted towards the first half of the year.

With the anticipation that both our land spend will be materially lower in ’23 and our build times will improve, which will reduce our investment in homes under production, we expect to generate a healthy level of cash flow. This positions us to continue to return a portion of our excess cash to stockholders and it also enabled us to opportunistically resume investing in land once market conditions improve and at a more attractive cost basis. Our lot position stands at roughly 69,000 lots owned or controlled, a reduction of over 20% year-over-year. Of these, 48,000 are owned and only about 17,300 are finished, with 9,400 having a house under construction, including models. We continue to balance our development phasing with our start space to limit building up a large inventory of finished lots.

Our focus is on developing lots on adjusted time basis, creating smaller phases and reducing our cash outlay. We are also pursuing savings on development costs, as development slows across the industry. Relative to the vintage of our own lots, we contracted approximately 80% of these lots in 2020 or prior before the run-up in both land and average selling prices. We have a solid lot position with a favorable cost basis and good distribution across our markets. We opened 28 new communities in the fourth quarter and we anticipate that the lots we own or control should provide us with growth in community count in 2023. Our most recent grand openings have performed well out of the gate, priced appropriately for current market conditions. As we continue to open more communities, we expect this growth will help to support our net orders even at lower absorption rates.

Before I wrap up, I’d like to recognize and thank our entire KB Home team for their incredible resilience throughout the year, never wavering from their commitment to serving our homebuyers. As a result of our team’s hard work, KB Home was honored to be included into recent rankings. The company was recognized as one of the 250 most effectively managed companies in the U.S., a ranking that was developed by the Drucker Institute in conjunction with The Wall Street Journal. In addition, we were named to Newsweek’s 2023 list of America’s Most Responsible Companies in recognition of our results related to our ESG initiatives. In both cases, our company was the only national homebuilder to receive these distinctions for multiple years in a row. While we don’t manage our business with the goal of winning awards, these honors provide third-party recognition that we’re doing the right things.

In closing, although we expect to have less visibility and greater uncertainty in 2023, we are confident in our ability to navigate these more challenging conditions with a solid balance sheet, along with a long-tenured and experienced team that has successfully steered our company through multiple market cycles. We look forward to continuing to update you on the progress of our business as we move through the year. With that, I’ll now turn the call over to Jeff for the financial review. Jeff?

Jeff Kaminski: Thank you, Jeff and good afternoon, everyone. I will now cover highlights of our financial performance for the 2022 fourth quarter and full year, as well as commentary on our outlook for 2023. In the quarter, we produced solid financial results, including significant year-over-year growth in revenues and an expansion in our operating margin that drove a 29% increase in our diluted earnings per share. In addition, while we experienced persistent supply chain and inflationary challenges throughout the year, and softening demand in the second half, our exceptional portfolio of communities and solid operational execution enabled us to generate strong full year financial results. These results included meaningful revenue growth, considerable operating margin expansion, higher diluted earnings per share and robust returns.

In the fourth quarter, our housing revenues of $1.93 billion were up 16% from a year ago, reflecting a 3% increase in homes delivered and a 13% rise in their overall average selling price. Housing revenues were up in all four of our regions, with increases ranging from 5% in the Southwest region to 51% in the Southeast. Looking ahead to the 2023 first quarter, as we anticipate housing market conditions will continue to be challenging, we will focus on delivering our large backlog of sold homes and navigating ongoing though improving supply chain constraints. For the quarter, we expect to generate housing revenues in a range of $1.25 billion to $1.4 billion. For the 2023 full year, we are forecasting housing revenues in a range of $5 billion to $6 billion, supported by our backlog and growing portfolio of open selling communities.

As Jeff mentioned, given the uncertain economic and housing market outlooks for 2023, we are providing full year guidance only for revenues. In the fourth quarter, our overall average selling price of homes delivered increased to approximately $510,000. We are projecting an average selling price of approximately $490,000 to $500,000 for the 2023 first quarter, up 2% year-over-year at the midpoint. Sequentially, this represents a 3% reduction in average selling price reflecting geographic and community mix shifts and challenging housing market conditions prevailing when the home is expected to be delivered or sold. Homebuilding operating income for the 2022 fourth quarter totaled $278.2 million, up 30% as compared to $214.4 million for the year-earlier quarter.

Our homebuilding operating income margin was 14.4% compared to 12.8% in the 2021 fourth quarter. Excluding inventory related charges of approximately $27.9 million in this 2022 period versus approximately $0.7 million a year ago, our operating margin was 15.8%, up 290 basis points, mainly reflecting improvements in both our gross profit margin and SG&A expense ratio. The current quarter inventory related charges included $6.4 million of abandonments relating to 36 projects and $21.5 million of impairments relating to three communities out of our year end portfolio of 246 active selling communities. We anticipate our 2023 first quarter homebuilding operating income margin, excluding the impact of any inventory related charges will be approximately 9.5% to 10.5%.

Our 2022 fourth quarter housing gross profit margin improved 10 basis points from the year earlier quarter to 22.4%. Excluding inventory related charges, our gross margin for the quarter expanded 150 basis points year-over-year, to 23.9%. This improvement primarily reflected the impact of higher average selling prices, partly offset by increased construction costs and the impacts of selective price adjustments and other concessions in response to softer demand conditions. We are forecasting a housing gross profit margin for the 2023 first quarter in the range of 20% to 21%. The sequential decrease mainly reflects the expected lower average selling price, impacts from concessions such as mortgage rate buy-downs, higher construction costs during the 2022 first-half, when the majority of the homes are expected to be delivered were started, mix shifts and lower operating leverage.

Our selling, general and administrative expense ratio of 8.0% for the 2022 fourth quarter improved 180 basis points from a year ago, mainly reflecting a decrease in external sales commissions, lower costs associated with certain performance-based employee compensation plans and enhanced operating leverage due to higher revenues. In 2023, we will continue to focus on aligning our overhead expenditures with revenue levels we are forecasting our 2023 first quarter SG&A expense ratio to be approximately 10.3% to 10.8% as compared to 10.2% in the prior-year period, primarily reflecting reduced leverage on fixed costs from the lower level of expected revenues, along with costs associated with the higher community count in the current year. Our income tax expense is $68.5 million for the fourth quarter, represented an effective tax rate of approximately 24% and was favorably impacted by $6.5 million of Federal energy tax credits, reflecting the benefit of our industry-leading sustainability initiatives.

We expect our effective tax rate for the 2023 first quarter to be approximately 23%. Overall, we reported net income of $216.4 million or $2.47 per diluted share for the 2022 fourth quarter, up 24% and 29% respectively as compared to the prior year period. Reflecting on the full year, we are very pleased with our strong 2022 financial performance. Compared to our robust 2021 results, we increased our housing revenues by 21%, to nearly $6.9 billion, expanded our operating margin by 350 basis points to 15.1%, measurable improvements in both our gross margin and SG&A expense ratio and reported $9.09 of diluted earnings per share, an increase of 51%. Turning now to community count, our fourth quarter average of 237 was up 11% from 214 in the corresponding 2021 quarter.

We ended the year with 246 active communities, up 13% from a year ago. We expect our 2023 first quarter average community count to be up in the range of 15% to 20% year-over-year, with increases in all four of our regions. Having pivoted our land strategy earlier in the year in response to softening housing market demand, during the 2022 fourth quarter, we continue to moderate our investments in land acquisitions and development, with expenditures down 29% to $443 million compared to the year-earlier quarter. Land acquisitions represented only $68 million of the total fourth quarter investment, a decrease of 74% from the same quarter a year ago. We also evaluated our transaction pipeline and move to renegotiate pricing and terms for many deals while abandoning others that no longer met our return thresholds.

In the 2022 second half, our new land acquisition investments declined to $203 million as compared to $624 million during the first half. We have also modified our land development strategy, electing to build smaller phases and in some cases, to further start of next phases to align with expected demand in certain local areas. During the year, we generated $183 million of cash from operations and completed several initiatives to improve our balance sheet and liquidity, including upsizing our unsecured — secured revolving credit facility to $1.09 billion in the first quarter. We also refinanced $700 million of our senior notes by issuing $350 million of eight-year senior notes in the third quarter and borrowing $360 million under a senior unsecured term loan in the fourth quarter.

At year-end, our total liquidity was approximately $1.26 billion, with $329 million of cash and $933 million of available capacity under our revolving credit facility. Our debt to capital ratio improved to 33.4% at year-end 2022, compared to 35.8% for the previous year. We have no debt maturities until the term loan’s 2026 expiration, with our next senior note maturity in June 2027. In addition, we returned over $200 million of cash to our stockholders by paying dividends of $52 million and repurchasing $4.93 million shares or about 6% of our outstanding shares at an average price of $30.44 per share, a significant discount to our book value. We ended the year with stockholders’ equity of $3.66 billion, up 21% as compared to $3.02 billion a year ago and a book value per share of $43.59, which increased 27%.

Finally, one of the most notable 2022 achievements with a significant improvement in return on equity to 24.6%, a year-over-year expansion of 470 basis points. In conclusion, we are very pleased with our strong 2022 financial performance. Though we expect to face a challenging business environment in 2023, we remain optimistic about the long-term outlook for the housing market, given the favorable fundamental demographic trends and continued under production of new homes. In addition, we believe our strong financial position, including our liquidity profile and long runway for debt maturities, will allow us to continue to be opportunistic with capital deployment in 2023 and beyond. In 2023, we plan to execute on our durable principles of our returns-focused growth strategy and unique build-to-order business model through the evolving market conditions, while carefully allocating capital with a focus on enhancing long-term stockholder value.

We will now take your questions. John, please open the lines.

Operator:

Q&A Session

Operator: Thank you. We will now be conducting a question-and-answer session. And our first question comes from the line of Matthew Bouley with Barclays. Please proceed with your question.

Matthew Bouley: Hey, good afternoon, everyone. Thanks for taking the questions. And for all the very helpful detail you gave there at the top. So first question just to understand the margin outlook, you saw the sequential margin or gross margin decline in Q4 and guiding to further decline in Q1, there, but it seems to be this is sort of before you’ve made the more aggressive price adjustments, if I’m hearing you correctly? So, yeah, I know you’re holding off on giving hard 2023 margin guidance, but is the implication therefore, that we should think about sort of another reset to gross margins beyond Q1 as you do start to get more aggressive on the price side?

Jeff Kaminski: Matthew, I think the implication really is that there’s just a fair amount of uncertainty out there right now, which is why we didn’t guide beyond the first quarter. A lot of the remainder of the year just depends on what the Spring selling season holds, both in terms of new sales and what it takes to close out our current backlog. And we have a lot of offsets we’re working on as well. We’re looking to pull a lot of levers to potentially offset any further market price decline. We expect to achieve construction cost decreases. We’ll see a lot of the lumber price decreases mainly reflecting in our gross margin starting next — in the second quarter. There’s fluctuations that could happen based on, related to rate buy-downs, depending on where the mortgage interest rates move.

Cancellation activity as well is one where we are looking for some mitigation. We expect to see some mitigation and that removes a little bit of pressure on having the resell those homes into a weaker market. And then finally, we see some levers that we can pull on the cost side in terms of lowering our spec levels and continued value engineering and initiatives of that nature. So it’s just uncertain right now which is why we didn’t guide and just prefer to keep it that way until we see what the Spring holds for us in the market.

Matthew Bouley: Got it. No, that’s helpful there, Jeff, thank you for that. Second one, I mean you talked about sort of careful capital deployment in 2023. So as you do reduced land spend build times. I mean, it does sound like there is an expectation for more meaningful cash generation this year. So can you just sort of expand on that, on the capital deployment side and sort of share repurchase in that scenario?

Jeff Kaminski: Right. I think what you should expect to see from us is a continuation of a balanced approach. We’ve always talked about focus on growing the business in the future of the base business, we’re very confident, very optimistic about the base business. In the past, we used to focus in order of priority on land investments and then dividends and quite a few years ago now, on debt reduction. And now, we’ve been able to pivot those three priorities to land, dividends and share buybacks. We do expect to see strong cash generation in 2023 and all I can say right now, we’ll continue to be measured and thoughtful on deployment of capital. We consider ourselves to be good stewards of capital and see opportunities out there to deploy it.

My view right now is that the buyback strategy has been the winner for us, especially given the current market value, which has been so much under our book value per share and with each buyback we’ve initiated, we’ve been able to increase future earnings per share, increase future returns and amazingly at the same time increase our book value per share with every buyback. So we really like that strategy. But we will maintain, like I said, a balanced approach and be measured and thoughtful as we move forward.

Operator: Thank you. And our next question comes from the line of Stephen Kim with Evercore ISI. Please proceed with your question.

Stephen Kim: Yeah, thanks very much guys, appreciate it. And wanted to just sort of follow up, Jeff, on the construction cost side of the equation. We’ve been starting to hear that builders are actually getting real reductions, not just sort of stabilization in price, I guess we’re certainly hearing it on the labor side. So I’m curious what you’re actually seeing, can you quantify maybe some of the success you’re having around cost reductions, is it just labor, are you seeing in on products too, is it spreading to sort of late-stage type of trades as well and you talked about the lumber benefit, but I would love it if you could give us a little quantification on what is reasonable to expect given the implosion in the lumber prices?

Jeff Mezger: Rob, do you want to take that.

Rob McGibney: Sure, Jeff. Steve, on the construction cost side, it’s — I mentioned, we were down $10,000 a house from our August start to our November start. So that’s not just lumber, there’s other costs in there too, but I would say, we’re still in the early innings of the cost reduction effort and it’s, we’re getting more traction on the front end trades, where there’s less — those trade partners are feeling the impact of lower starts across our markets more so than the back half of it is. So I’d say early innings of the cost reduction work that we’re doing on the front end, it’s really just getting started on the back end, as a lot of those trades haven’t felt it yet. And this isn’t just renegotiating and allowing the market and the cost reductions to come to us, and we have a lot of initiatives in play right now through value engineering, simplification, lowering our spec levels, adjusting elevations to drive cost out and it’ll likely pass those savings onto our customers.

Stephen Kim: Yeah, that’s really, helpful. And it’s going to be something that we’re going to be looking for, I’m sure and the communities you’re opening up next year. In that vein, I wanted to ask a little bit about the balance sheet and your, in particular, land spend, I think you talked, Jeff, about owned lots. Well, I think, I observed that your own lots, owned lots, not including the options, but your own lots were down a little over 3000 this quarter, but obviously, things are sort of — continue to be sort of tough out there. I’m curious whether it’s reasonable to think we might see another reduction of that magnitude as we get into the first quarter in terms of owned lots, that would take you to somewhere in the 45,000 on lots. And overall, is it reasonable, Jeff, to think that total inventory dollars could be down about $500 million by year-end?