Howmet Aerospace Inc. (NYSE:HWM) Q4 2022 Earnings Call Transcript

John Plant: Okay. Well, first of all, let me comment on profitability in the second half. That was, I’ll say, fundamentally impacted by the fact we — as it turned out, well, we thought we’d recruited to the right outline demand. As you know, because of those cutbacks, not only did we not produce as much, but some of what we did produce inventory, we eventually therefore, we didn’t make the profit on it. The worst condition we were in is that, in actual fact, even though across Howmet, labor was pretty flat in the fourth quarter. So we — let’s say, net we didn’t hire back where we were slightly down on labor. But in our engine products, we were down significantly. So more than 100 people down as — which is most unusual to think about, we were cutting labor, given the underlying engine demand and basically because we were holding costs, which we did not need to be able to produce what we required.

So we were in that pretty lethal band of having unfortunately stepped up to what customers had scheduled and then didn’t require. We carry excess labor, and that labor we had was obviously not effective as it might be, because new labor does produce scrap. So we ended up with new labor producing higher rates of scrap combined with the cost of that. Now, we do expect that given the actions we took, trim labor, we’re on a steadier — we are back in recruitment mode, which we do have some cause for optimism for the future. In terms of rate builds and increases, even though we’ve chosen to be cautious about it is that — I see no fundamental issues, not restoring those margins to at least the first — the rate of the first half of 2022. And so, I never like to use the word like don’t worry about it, but it really is.

I don’t think if you worry about it.

Seth Seifman: Okay. No, that’s very helpful. And maybe — so just to clarify, the margin, when we think about company-wide, the margin — the sort of flattish EBITDA margin company-wide expected for ’23, that’s not a function at this point of having excess labor above the production rates that are in your guidance. You’re kind of appropriately sized for what’s in your guidance. And to the extent that there is revenue upside, then with the appropriate lead time, you’ll be able to bring in the cost structure that you need to produce at that rate?

John Plant: Yes, pretty much. So, the labor overhang, certainly by the end of January. So, we saw to bring this in the right ZIP code there. We believe, our scrap rates are going to continue to improve. The guidance we gave on margin is right, given the conservative demand pattern we gave. Plus, if you pick up the words I used about it, let’s call it about $100 million of inflation and that’s probably mostly nonmaterial inflation this year. We still there to be recovered. And as you know, last year, if our 22.5% would have been like 100 basis points higher with that $300 million inflation that we recovered. Then this year, let’s call it’s just less than half of that. So again, taking an appropriately cautious line on where inflation might be at this point in time. And hopefully, it begins to become a very benign factor as we go through the year and things will begin to look better.

Seth Seifman: Great. That’s helpful. Thank you.

John Plant: Thank you.

Operator: Our next question will come from David Strauss with Barclays. Please go ahead.

David Strauss: Thanks. Good morning.

John Plant: Hey David. How are you?

David Strauss: Hey John. Good, how are you?