HF Sinclair Corporation (NYSE:DINO) Q1 2023 Earnings Call Transcript

HF Sinclair Corporation (NYSE:DINO) Q1 2023 Earnings Call Transcript May 4, 2023

Operator: Welcome to HF Sinclair Corporation and Holly Energy Partners Fourth Quarter 2022 Conference Call and Webcast. Hosting the call today is Tim Go, incoming Chief Executive Officer of HF Sinclair. He is joined by Atanas Atanasov, Chief Financial Officer; Steve Ledbetter, EVP of Commercial; Valerie Pompa, EVP of Operations; and Matt Joyce, SVP of Lubricants and Specialties; along with John Harrison, Chief Financial Officer of Holly Energy Partners. At this time, all participants have been placed in a listen-only mode and the floor will be opened for your questions following the presentation. We ask that you please limit yourself to one question and one follow-up. Please note that this conference is being recorded. It is now my pleasure to turn the floor over to Craig Biery, Vice President, Investor Relations. Craig, you may begin.

Craig Biery: Thank you, Jack. Good morning, everyone, and welcome to HF Sinclair Corporation and Holly Energy Partners first quarter 2023 earnings call. This morning, we issued press releases announcing results for the quarter ending March 31, 2023. If you would like a copy of these press releases, you may find them on our website at hfsinclair.com and hollyenergy.com. Before we proceed with remarks, please note the safe harbor disclosure statement in today’s press releases. In summary, it says statements made regarding management expectations, judgments or predictions are forward-looking statements. These statements are intended to be covered under the safe harbor provisions of federal securities laws. There are many factors that could cause results to differ from expectations, including those noted in our SEC filings.

The call also may include discussion of non-GAAP measures. Please see the earnings press releases for reconciliations to GAAP financial measures. Also, please note any time-sensitive information provided on today’s call may no longer be accurate at the time of any webcast replay or rereading of the transcript. And with that, I’ll turn the call over to Tim Go.

Tim Go: Good morning, everyone. Today, we reported first quarter 2023 net income attributable to HF Sinclair shareholders of $353 million or $1.79 per diluted share. These results reflect special items that collectively decreased net income by $41 million. Excluding these items, adjusted net income for the first quarter was $394 million or $2 per diluted share, compared to adjusted net income of $176 million or $0.99 per diluted share for the same period in 2022. Adjusted EBITDA for the first quarter was $705 million, an increase of approximately $328 million compared to the first quarter of 2022. In our Refining segment, first quarter 2023 EBITDA was $544 million, compared to $208 million in the same period last year. This increase was primarily driven by higher refining margins of both the West and Mid-Continent regions, as well as a result of steady demand, tight supply and favorable crude spreads.

Crude oil charge averaged 499,000 barrels per day in the first quarter of 2023, compared to 525,000 barrels per day in the first quarter of 2022 due to heavy turnaround maintenance during the period. Of the three refinery turnarounds we conducted in the first quarter of 2023, I am pleased to report we successfully completed all three on time and on budget. While this is a significant accomplishment in itself, we also addressed many of our end-of-cycle reliability issues on the refinery equipment that was available during these downtimes. Our drive to improve our operating reliability is built around the maintenance strategies that we execute during these turnaround cycles. In our renewables segment, we reported adjusted EBITDA of $3 million and total sales volume of 46 million gallons for the first quarter of 2023.

We continue to work to increase utilization at our renewables facilities and expect to achieve normalized run rates in the second half of 2023, which will allow us to optimize advantaged feedstock from our pretreatment unit. Our marketing segment reported EBITDA of $6 million and total branded fuel sales volumes of 328 million gallons, representing a $0.04 per gallon margin in the first quarter of 2023. We continue to see strong value in the DINO brand, as the marketing business provides a consistent sales channel with margin uplift for our produced fuels, and we expect to grow our branded sites by 5% or more per year. Our Lubricants and Specialty Products segment reported EBITDA of $99 million for the first quarter of 2023 compared to EBITDA of $145 million for the first quarter of 2022.

This decrease was largely driven by the positive FIFO impact from consumption of lower-priced feedstock inventory in the first quarter of 2022. We continue to be pleased with the strong performance of our Lubricants and Specialty Products segment and continue to focus on sales mix optimization of our base oils and finished products. HEP reported EBITDA of $88 million in the first quarter of 2023 compared to $73 million in the same period of last year. This increase was mainly driven by contributions from the Sinclair transportation assets, which were acquired in March of 2022, as well as higher revenues from our Woods Cross refinery process units, partially offset by higher interest expenses. Overall, we returned $334 million in cash to shareholders through share repurchases and dividends during the first quarter.

As of March 31, 2023, we have $420 million remaining on our share repurchase authorization. We remain fully committed to our long-term cash return strategy of returning 50% or more of our net income to our shareholders, while maintaining a strong balance sheet and investment-grade credit rating. This morning, HF Sinclair made a nonbinding proposal to acquire all of the common units of Holly Energy Partners LP, not already owned by HF Sinclair, pursuant to a stock for unit merger transaction that would result in HEP becoming an indirect Holly owned subsidiary of HF Sinclair. We believe the proposed transaction simplifies our corporate structure, reduces costs and further supports the integration and optimization of our portfolio. Please refer to the separate press release for specifics related to this proposal.

Looking forward, as I make the transition to CEO of HF Sinclair, I’d like to take this time to share with you my near-term priorities for the company. First, we must continue advancing our operations excellence. This means improving the safety and reliability of our plants, which we believe will result in higher utilization rates and lower operating expenses. This is our top priority, and we have recruited many reliability subject matter experts over the last few years, and we are implementing our operations excellence management system to guide us through this journey. But as I mentioned earlier, it will take time working through our turnaround cycles to make the necessary improvements to our equipment. Second, we have completed a number of transformative acquisitions, and we continue to focus on the integration of those assets into our portfolio with the goal of capturing more operating efficiencies and margin opportunities across our asset base.

We already realized annual run rate synergies of roughly $100 million from the Sinclair acquisition, and we believe there is more to capture from this acquisition, as well as in our Lubricant and Specialty Products segment. Third, I am focused on free cash flow, and I’m committed to continuing our cash return strategy that I mentioned earlier. Returning excess cash to shareholders through dividends and share repurchases, while maintaining an investment-grade balance sheet is fundamental to maximizing shareholder value over the long term and positioning the company for future success. With that, let me turn the call over to Atanas.

Atanas Atanasov: Thank you, Tim, and good morning, everyone. Let’s begin by reviewing HF Sinclair’s financial highlights. Net cash flows provided by operations for the first quarter of 2023 totaled $178 million, which included $164 million of turnaround spend in the quarter. HF Sinclair stand-alone capital expenditures totaled $92 million for the first quarter of ’23. As of March 31, ’23, HF Sinclair’s total liquidity stood at approximately $3 billion, comprised of a stand-alone cash balance of $1.36 billion, along with our undrawn $1.65 billion in secured credit facility. As of March 31, 2023, we had $1.7 billion of stand-alone debt outstanding with a debt-to-cap ratio of with — debt-to-cap ratio of 16% and net debt-to-cap ratio of 3%.

HEP distributions received by HF Sinclair during the first quarter of 2023 totaled $21 million. HF Sinclair owns 59.6 million HEP limited partner units, which following the acquisition of Sinclair Transportation represents 47% of HEP’s outstanding LP units at a market value of approximately $950 million as of last night’s close. Let’s go through some guidance items. With respect to capital spending for full year 2023, we still expect to spend between $250 million to $280 million in Refining, $25 million to $35 million in renewables, $35 million to $50 million in Lubricants and Specialty Products, $20 million to $30 million in marketing, $50 million to $80 million in corporates and $530 million to $630 million for turnarounds and catalysts. At HEP, we expect to spend between $25 million and $35 million in maintenance and back to $10 million in expansion and joint venture investments.

For the second quarter of 2023, we expect to run between 550,000 to 580,000 barrels per day of crude oil in our Refining segment, and we have planned turnaround scheduled at our Navajo and Parco refineries during the period. And lastly, as Tim mentioned, please refer to our separate press release we issued this morning for specifics related to our proposal to acquire the outstanding HEP public units. As negotiations are currently ongoing, we’re unable to speak to specifics around the proposal during Q&A. And with that, let me turn the call over to John for an update on HEP.

John Harrison: Thanks, Atanas. HEP generated solid first quarter earnings, supported by safe and reliable operations and strong volumes in both our crude and refined product transportation and storage systems. HEP’s first quarter 2023 net income attributable to Holly Energy Partners was $58 million compared to $50 million in the first quarter of 2022. The year-over-year increase was primarily attributable to earnings related to the Sinclair transportation assets as well as higher revenues from our Woods Cross refinery processing units, partially offset by higher interest expense and operating costs. HEP’s first quarter 2023 adjusted EBITDA was $108 million compared to $85 million in the same period last year. A reconciliation table reflecting these adjustments can be found in HEP’s press release.

HEP generated distributable cash flow of $84 million, and we announced a first quarter distribution of $0.35 per LP unit, which is payable on May 11 to unitholders of record as of May 1. Capital expenditures during the quarter were approximately $8 million, including $4 million of expansion, $3 million in maintenance and $1 million of reimbursable CapEx. We ended the quarter with approximately $556 million in liquidity, comprised of $7 million of cash and $548 million of availability under our $1.2 billion revolving credit facility. For 2023, we are focused on safe and reliable operations while we negotiate the proposal from HF Sinclair. We are now ready to turn the call over to the operator for any questions.

Q&A Session

Operator: Certainly. The floor is now open for questions. Our first question comes from the line of Roger Read with Wells Fargo Securities. Your line is open.

Roger Read: Yeah. Good morning, everybody. Tim, welcome to the lead role here.

Tim Go: Thanks, Roger. Appreciate it.

Roger Read: So I guess one question for me, starting with the proposed HEP consolidation, why now? And can you give us a little bit of the back and forth between the two entities in terms of determining the right value here and the decision to go all units — or excuse me, all stock for units instead of a combination of things?

Tim Go: Yes. Roger, as Atanas mentioned earlier, we just put the proposal out last night. We’re not able to talk about it as — just because it’s a public negotiation. But what I can tell you is, we believe this proposed transaction simplifies our corporate structure, it reduces our costs, and it further supports the integration and optimization of our portfolio. It also provides an opportunity to unlock cash that is currently being held at the MLP level for LP distributions and debt reduction, and this cash will become available for DINO’s long-term capital allocation strategy.

Roger Read: Okay. That’s helpful. And then my unrelated follow-up, you mentioned renewable diesel should be at full run rate second half of this year. Obviously, Q1 was a little bit of a bump in the road, to say the least. What — the factors talked about before were the hydrogen issue as well as just the start-up kind of challenges. So I’m curious between where you are today and where you’d expect to be midyear onwards, how do those two items get solved?

Atanas Atanasov: Roger, thank you. This is Atanas. First of all, I think we’re pleased with the performance of our renewables segment in the first quarter. On an adjusted EBITDA basis, we were positive, which is — which we’re pleased with. With respect to some of the challenges that we’ve talked about in the past, a couple, one of them has been reliability. The second one has been hydrogen availability. So with respect to operational challenges, we’ve made very good progress in the first quarter, which helped improve yields in some of our — particularly in our Cheyenne assets. And we continue to work on a longer-term solution for our hydrogen problem. So working on the process optimization as well as a long-term solution on hydrogen are two important priorities for us.

With respect to run rate, I think we have made steady progress, but we’re really looking at that second half of the year where we’re looking to achieve normalized run rates. With respect to the second quarter, I would also point to your attention to the fact that we have turnarounds in two of our facilities that are co-located with refineries, both Parco and Navajo, which would impact run rates in the second quarter. But that also gives us an opportunity to really continue to work on addressing operational issues and come out really in better shape after these turnarounds.

Tim Go: Yes. And Roger, I’ll just chime in as well. Just for some color. We’re not happy with the results of the renewable business yet, but we are happy with the progress. And so showing positive adjusted EBITDA this quarter is evidence that we’re moving in the right direction. As Atanas mentioned, we had several turnarounds this quarter. We have a few more here in the second quarter that will continue to improve the hydrogen infrastructure and the rest of the utility infrastructure that is around these renewable diesel plants. As well as what Atanas mentioned, just our better understanding of how to run these plants better, it’s going to contribute and help us deliver in the second half, the run rate that we’re expecting.

Roger Read: Yes. Fair enough. Could I just ask the one clarification? Since the hydrogen, obviously, there’s a long-term solution. If you’re going to run at higher rates, does that imply you do have a short- to medium-term solution in place then?

Atanas Atanasov: Well, I think the medium term — the short- and the medium-term solution is just continue to optimize the operation of the assets, and we — like I said, we’ve seen good progress there. But really the longer-term solution is hydrogen supply. It’s supplying hydrogen. Another thing is, as we look at our just conventional diesel cracks, sometimes we obviously have to make decisions around economics and that’s part of the optimization equation.

Tim Go: Yes. We think our short-term — to get to our normalized run rate in the second half, we have solutions that we can work to get to that. And then, of course, we are working long-term solutions to our hydrogen supply issues that we’re not ready to talk about today, but are in the process of being worked.

Roger Read: Appreciate that. Thank you.

Operator: Our next question comes from the line of Matthew Blair with TPH. Your line is open.

Matthew Blair: Hi, good morning, everyone. Tim, I was hoping you could elaborate more on the opportunity to improve refinery operations. You mentioned for the three planned turnarounds in Q1, you addressed some, I think it was, end-of-cycle issues. Could you talk about and then provide any examples of the problems that you’re finding and what you’re doing to fix them?

Tim Go: Yes, Matt, this is Tim. I’d be happy to. I’ve mentioned before that you’ve got resource and capability opportunities to improve. You’ve got systems and processes to improve. But the third leg in the triangle is we’ve got to improve the equipment itself, right? I like to say equipment doesn’t know we’re talking about it until we actually do something with it. And during the turnarounds, we have the ability to take that — those maintenance strategies that actually affect the equipment that’s usually not available except for turnarounds. So, let me turn it over to our new EVP of Operations, Valerie Pompa. She has over 30 years of operating experience, and we’re really glad to have her on our team. Val, you want to talk a little bit more about turnaround?

Valerie Pompa: Sure. Our first quarter turnarounds, so some examples going back to hydrogen, Navajo specifically, we’ve spent a significant amount of our scope and effort are on hydrogen improvement projects, really gained at improving reliability around our hydrogen system in Navajo. And so our strategy that goes from an our equipment strategy that Tim mentioned, aimed for reliability or short-term PM programs and PM program improvements. And then during the turnaround, that gives us opportunities to upgrade, whether it be exchangers, specific equipment that has reached a point where it’s time to change it, upgrade. And focused really on just getting our utilization and availability up higher to meet our demand.

Tim Go: Yes, I think as a summary, Matt, Val has been doing a great job at driving these improvements. We implemented over 15 risk-reduction projects during the turnarounds and over three very large yield improvement projects during the turnaround. So, we’re expecting improved operations as we start to run conditions here.

Matthew Blair: Sounds good. And then on the lubricant side, was there a material FIFO impact in Q1 2023? And can you talk about the factors that supported better lubricants profitability quarter-over-quarter, even though your index declined? Thanks.

Atanas Atanasov: Yes, hi there. I’ll take this one. This is Atanas. So, with respect to our FIFO impact, there was an FIFO impact, it was about $14 million. But even with that in mind, we’re still very pleased with our results. When you look at the profitability of the business, there’s really a couple of notable drivers. One of them is the favorable product mix. The second one is really strong margins in our Group III base oil that go into a lot of higher ends — higher value end uses. And the third one is really continue to strengthen the finished products market. So, when you take all those three together, that really accounts for the successful quarter that we’ve had in that business. But products mix and margins are really the 2 main drivers.

Tim Go: Yes. And Matt, let me chime in, too. The FIFO impact that Atanas mentioned was a $14 million headwind for this quarter. This is the first quarter of 2023. Without that, our ex-FIFO number would have been higher than what we reported and was actually a quarterly record for us on an ex-FIFO basis. Last year, which is what you asked, we had a sizable FIFO tailwind. As you mentioned, it was something closer to $49 million, something in that range. And on an ex-FIFO basis, it would have been lower than that. But it gives me the opportunity to introduce another new member of our leadership team. Matt Joyce, who has nearly 30 million — 30 years in the base oil and lubricants industry. We’re really glad to have him. Matt, do you want to provide any other color on the lubes business?

Matt Joyce: Yes, sure. Thanks, Tim. And Matt, nice to meet you. Building on what Atanas mentioned, the team has really positioned us well, focused on key objectives where we’re going after certain end-use markets that are higher value markets and we’re well situated in those today. We enjoy a presence in many of those markets, off-highway, construction, mining, natural gas. We’ve introduced some new products into that space, and we’re seeing some really good results. And further to that, we’ve seen some geographic expansion into targeted markets. That’s been successful. And very finally, the product mix that Atanas mentioned and Tim has mentioned in prior earnings calls, that’s by design. That is something that was intentional.

That’s not just stumbling into it. We have purpose to get in there and make our value story and our value proposition to our end user customers as robust as possible. And as a result, get the returns that you’re seeing and continue to trend at this higher-than-mid-cycle range, and we’re really excited about that.

Matthew Blair: Great. Thanks for all the comments there.

Matt Joyce: You bet.

Operator: Our next question comes from Paul Cheng with Scotiabank. Your line is open.

Paul Cheng: Thank you. Good morning. Two questions, please. Tim, since that you’re saying you’re going to take the opportunity during the turnaround and you improve the asset. So should we assume over the next two or three years, the turnaround expense is going to be higher than usual? And if that’s the case, do you have a range that you can provide, how that looks like over the next two or three years? And second question is, I think in the past, the company has said the lubricant in the long haul maybe worth more money for other people who may not be together with the HF Sinclair. So wondering if that is still the view. And if that’s the view, what will be the precondition or criteria for you to make that decision?

Tim Go: Okay, Paul, thanks for your questions. Let me ask Val to comment on the turnaround.

Valerie Pompa : Yes. So our turnaround spend is — this year has really been driven by the acquisitions. We acquired several, as you know, new sites, came with refineries ready for turnaround. We’ve implemented all of those. And we spent really this last year — we’re working towards an optimized turnaround schedule. So that — I’ll call this kind of our catch-up year to really bring all those acquisitions in, address the reliability concerns that we saw and now get us on a run rate for turnaround.

Atanas Atanasov : Paul, let me take this. The second question is on lubricants with respect to how…

Paul Cheng: And actually, Atanas, before that, do you have a range of what the turnaround expense may look like over the next several years?

Tim Go: No, Paul, we’ve told you that this year was a peak turnaround spending year, and we still believe that’s the case the next years. Remember, we had the Parco and the Puget Sound and the Casper turnarounds. All three new assets land on this first year of running the full portfolio. So this was a high watermark, if that’s the right word to use, on turnaround expenses. We believe future years will be lower than that. And we have guided in the past to kind of a run rate total capital kind of guidance in the $700 million to $800 million range, and we still believe that the right — that’s right level.

Paul Cheng: Okay. Thank you.

Atanas Atanasov : Thank you, Tim. Yes. Paul, just back to your questions on lubricants, and we continue to view this business as very valuable to our portfolio. Obviously, very pleased with the operations that we — over the last couple of years, especially in the last 12-plus months. We’re running the business as a fully integrated specialty lubricants business. And some of the preconditions that you asked about, that could possibly lead to determining that someone is a better owner of this business all boils down to valuation. Currently, we believe that this business is vastly undervalued within our portfolio. We’re not given any credit for it. It draws a lot of free cash flow at the moment. And we have — and we still believe that there is still more meat on the bone, so to speak.

We have done a lot of good work over the last couple of years in integrating the assets in Europe, in Petrolia, Pennsylvania as well as Mississauga. And we believe that there is still more synergies that could be gained over time. That, of course, will accrete further value into the overall valuation. But again, when you’re looking at the specialty lubricants business, there are some markers out there that are significantly higher in terms of multiples that are double-digit in some cases. And so when this type of compelling valuation presents itself, we will not shrink from testing the market. But for the moment, in the near-term, we are focusing on leveraging and extracting more of those synergies. And over the midterm, perhaps test the market.

Tim Go: Yes. And Paul, you have rightly asked me in the past, what evidence can we show you and the rest of the shareholders that we are making progress in our execution and our improved ability to deliver results. And I point you to our lubes and specialties business. Over the last three years, we have really made — we focused on it and really made a big change in the way we’ve operated and in the way we’ve delivered value to our shareholders. We hope that the shareholders will continue to see that and continue to give us better value for it, as Atanas mentioned. But the catalyst would be, as we continue to improve the business and the share price doesn’t actually reflect the value that it provides, then we obviously have to look at the ways to give the maximum shareholder value. And that could involve other things than holding it in our portfolio.

Paul Cheng: Thank you.

Operator: Neil Mehta with Goldman Sachs. Your line is open.

Neil Mehta: Yes. Good morning, Tim. Good morning, Team.

Tim Go: Good morning, Neil.

Neil Mehta: My first question is related to return of capital. And just could you provide your latest thoughts in terms of the share repurchase program and a lower margin environment than where we were? And the latest thinking in your ability to repurchase those shares bilaterally from the Sinclair family as opposed to seeing these come through in the open market?

Atanas Atanasov: Neil, thanks for your question. This is Atanas. I’d like to start with, first of all, that we’re a capital return business, both the return of and on capital. And we’re committed to our long-term capital return strategy as well as our paid out ratio, as Tim indicated. While we’re still committed to this strategy, while our transaction with HEP is ongoing, that could impact pace, and we don’t guide on pace, but we remain committed to that strategy, and there’s really no change there.

Tim Go: Yes. You look at our first quarter, Neil and we returned 14% cash return through our dividends and our share buybacks. 85% of net income is what that translates to. So we are on a good pace. We feel like this year is going to be another strong year for us. We’ve done direct buybacks with the family, as you pointed out, and we’ve done purchases in the open market. We believe that over the long-term, we’ll just continue to do similar things as opportunities arise. But as Atanas mentioned, we don’t comment on pace and amounts.

Neil Mehta: That’s fair. And then we haven’t spent a lot of time talking about the refining macro on this call. So Tim, maybe you and your team can just share your perspective on some of the volatility that we’ve seen, what do you make of it. And how do you think about the progression of margins through the end of the year.

Tim Go: Yes. We’re — obviously, a lot of volatility. We were expecting more demand from China and more impact from the Russian embargoes. But I will tell you that we always thought that the first quarter, we would see the most exports from China. And then as the country opens up over the course of the rest of this year that the increased local demand in China will soak up those higher barrels, and we’ll see less of that coming into the United States. We still believe that’s true. So in the first quarter, we definitely saw some additional imports. But again, we expected that to peak. And now we believe as China continues to open up, it will — demand will or supply will stay in the China area. We think we’re excited about the summer demand that we normally see, especially in the Rockies and in the West.

You didn’t specifically ask about demand, but I know that question always comes up. So I’ll just mention, first quarter versus last year, our gasoline demand, we believe, is about 102% of what we saw last year. Diesel was about 101% of demand in our areas. And that has been higher diesel demand, but we still think it’s strong, and it was higher than last year. And really, the surprise was jet. Jet demand was 8% higher in the first quarter of this year versus last year, and that’s continuing to drive some of the distillate areas as well. We’ve always said that there’s a macro basis out there. And we’re seeing Asia and Europe starting to get closer to breakeven in terms of their macro economics, some of the run cuts that we’re starting to see are expected as you look at the cost curves and kind of where the marginal capacity is in the world.

We still believe that the US has a $6 to $8 advantage over the European refining margins. And then we’ve talked about this before, but we think HF Sinclair’s portfolio, which is often overlooked, has an advantage over that. When you look at, especially in our West region, the Rockies, the Southwest, where we believe we’re seeing even higher advantages in product differentials than what you see, for example, in the Gulf Coast and certainly in the East Coast. And we saw that this year — or sorry, this quarter with the demand in Phoenix and the demand in Denver that continues to drive our profitability in our West region.

Neil Mehta: Great color. Thank you, Tim.

Operator: Our next question comes from the line of John Royall with JPMorgan. Your line is open.

John Royall: Hi, good morning. Thanks for taking my question. So my first one is just a follow-up on the turnarounds in refining. So I’m more interested in the quarterly cadence. You’ve mentioned that 1Q would be peak maintenance and the guide for 2Q throughputs is certainly higher, but I think still kind of mid-80s utilizations with some additional turnaround activity. So can you guys give any thoughts on utilization run rates in the second half? And should we expect a minimal amount of maintenance following 2Q and running relatively full?

Tim Go: Yes. John, thanks for the question. We’ve got two turnarounds in the second quarter, one at Navajo and one at Parco. I am pleased to report that the Navajo turnaround is complete, and we have started up. So that’s gone very well, on time and on budget. The Parco turnaround, we’re in the middle of and everything is going very smoothly there. So after we start up at Parco, we anticipate to be able to run in the low 90s utilization. We think that will carry through the rest of the year. We do have a couple more turnarounds in the fall, but we still think we’re going to be able to maintain that kind of level of utilization for the rest of the year.

John Royall: Okay. That’s helpful. And then I know it’s not the most material of your segments, but marketing came in right around breakeven on an EBIT basis and coming off a big quarter in 4Q. So any particular drivers there that you would call out of the weakness in 1Q?

Atanas Atanasov: John, this is Atanas. Thank you for your question. What you noticed in our results, as you referred to as weakness, is really I’ll point a couple of things. First of all, there’s a seasonal component to this business, this being the first quarter. And number two, in markets such as Denver and Phoenix, where we’ve seen tightness of supply, that sometimes results in a dislocation between the unbranded and branded pricing, which could result in a temporary squeeze in margins. And that’s why you’re seeing that $0.04 margins. But over time and over the year, we feel very good about our — the view on this business. And I’ll turn the call over to Steve Ledbetter, who is our new Executive Vice President of Commercial. Steve, if you’d like to add some more color.

Steve Ledbetter: Yes, absolutely. Thanks, Atanas. John, thanks for the question. We’re still very excited about the Sinclair brand, which, as you know, was one of the things we were excited about during the acquisition. And interestingly, something I was very excited about as I made the decision to join the HF Sinclair family. We think the value proposition is strong and will compete well in our markets, and we look to take advantage of that full integrated value chain in those markets where we operate. We see a lot of interest in the West, in the Rockies and the Southwest and then looking forward to growing our wholesale branded business. And we’re on pace to meet the targets that we suggested, between 5% and 10% growth of the wholesale marketing branded business year-over-year.

John Royall: Thank you.

Operator: Our next question comes from the line of Doug Leggate with Bank of America. Your line is open.

Kalei Akamine: Hey good morning guys. This is actually Kalei on for Doug. A couple of quick ones for me, so first one on the capture rate on the West, it came in a little bit better than we had expected. Just want to get a little bit more detail there. And maybe you can help us understand what a good estimate for capture rate is going forward for that region.

Tim Go: Yeah. Kalei, this is Tim. We were pleased with our capture rate in the West. Obviously, we had some stronger crude dips that helped us. The Denver shortages also helped us with capture as well. But quite honestly, with turnarounds going on also in the West, that hurt us on a capture rate standpoint. So we do think there is room to continue to improve, as for the especially for the summer season comes through. We also think that, during the first quarter, we built some intermediate inventories associated with the turnarounds, and we think we’re going to be able to draw down those inventories in the second quarter. So we think there’ll be improved capture there. But we don’t guide on the actual capture rate itself. Those are just some factors that we think we’re going into as you look to the second quarter.

Kalei Akamine: I appreciate that. My second one is on HEP. And I know you guys can’t talk about the negotiation, but this is a bit more mechanical in nature. Post-merger, you guys are requiring the HEP balance sheet. So, I’m wondering what the consolidated leverage target is going forward.

Atanas Atanasov: Yeah. This is Atanas. Thanks for your question. First of all, I remind you that currently, folks like the rating agencies and everyone look at HEP as consolidated within Sinclair because we consolidate it. And on a go-forward basis, as now, we’re looking at around one turn of leverage.

Kalei Akamine: Sorry, that includes HEP?

Atanas Atanasov: Yeah.

Kalei Akamine: Awesome, I appreciate that. Thank you.

Operator: Our next question comes from Manav Gupta with UBS. Your line is open.

Manav Gupta: Hey guys. First question, it’s been over a year or so since you have acquired Puget Sound and quite some time since you acquired Sinclair. Help us understand what were the positive upside surprises from these particular assets. So something which came in, better than what you expected when you decided to acquire them.

Tim Go: Yeah. Manav, it’s a good question to reflect back on. We just really celebrated the one-year anniversary of Sinclair a few weeks ago. And then obviously, Puget Sound had their 1-year anniversary last November, and we celebrated that as well. So very, very pleased with how those have gone. I’ll just say we’ve, of course, talked about the $100 million of synergies that we captured really faster than we ever thought we would. And so I think that would be a surprise. I think things like the ability to have backup supply. We’ve got refineries now that are able to back each other up to help improve our customer reliability in terms of making sure we keep our stations away. I think that’s been a pleasant surprise. Some examples of some of the synergies, we were short octane at our Parco refinery.

We were long octane at our Woods Cross refinery. So we were able to combine those two pools together and back out some higher-cost octane components in order to optimize our operations there. I think on a heavy crude standpoint, it was — we — HollyFrontier had extra heavy crude line space that Sinclair was short of. And so we were able to increase heavy crude into the Parco refinery by, call it, 10,000 barrels a day on day one. So that was another pleasant surprise that we had to deal with. Another one that we don’t talk much about is Asphalt. Parco makes a lot of asphalt components. We have an asphalt business that’s based in the Southwest, and we were able to integrate those two businesses, basically consuming all of the Parco asphalt production into our asphalt business.

And I think that’s been very surprising and very profitable for us. So those are some things that we found right away, but I’ll tell you, Manav, we think there’s a lot more opportunity out there and we’re going after it. I wouldn’t have a number for you today, but I would tell you that we believe there’s plenty of opportunities. One of the remits that we have Steve here for as the EVP of Commercial is to actually take that process that we just went through in terms of synergies with the Sinclair assets and expand that now to our overall portfolio and to look at Puget Sound, look at the Southwest, look at the Mid-Con and try to do the same thing we just did with the Sinclair assets with the whole portfolio to look for margin opportunities and capture improvement projects.

Manav Gupta: No. Thank you for that. This is super helpful. And agreed, those were very good transactions for you. Since you announced the news in the morning, we have got repeatedly one question, and I’m just going to ask this because a lot of investors are asking us this question, and that is that we understand the logic of you trying to acquire HEP, but why not pull the trigger when your stock was $60, why pull that trigger today? This is a repeated question we have got from investors.

Atanas Atanasov: Yeah, hi there. This is Atanas again. I — one thing to keep in mind is that we were focused almost 100% on the integration of Sinclair, and — which took a lot of time, resources, efforts, back office, front office. And, obviously, being able to achieve the $100 million of synergies has taken tremendous effort across the organization. But our focus was primarily on the integration. So it was a matter of priorities. And as that integration is almost complete, we’re pointing our attention to this more strategic — with HEP.

Tim Go: And I would just say that, Manav, again, we just started negotiations with HEP. And so obviously, we’ve got to be careful what we say. But we firmly believe this is a good time to go, and that’s where we’re going.

Manav Gupta: Makes perfect sense. Thank you so much for your answers. Thank you.

Operator: Our next question comes from the line of Ryan Todd with Piper Sandler. Your line is open.

Ryan Todd: Thanks. Sorry, one last follow-up on the HEP question before we leave it. For a number of years, I think the long-running position of the company was you wouldn’t take out the HEP shares until the accretion math works in your favor. Is that still the case, or is there enough in terms of cost savings, strategic benefits, are there enough to outweigh any potential dilution there?

Atanas Atanasov: Yeah. This is Atanas. As Tim indicated and I indicated earlier, we’re not going to comment on the specifics of the transaction as we’ve just made the offer and it’s under — obviously, under obviously on the negotiation. But we believe that over time, it will create value to our shareholders. And also we’ll point you that, as Tim indicated in his remarks, cash flow is a consideration for us as well.

Tim Go: Yeah. Ryan, I would just mention, I put out three near-term priorities in my prepared remarks. We believe buying in the HEP business addresses all three of our priorities that are consistent; simplifying, integrating and cash flow. That’s why we’re doing this.

Ryan Todd: Perfect. Thanks. And then maybe just one, on the different side. As you look ahead to 2024, any comments on how the start-up of the Trans Mountain pipeline could impact crude access or economics at your Puget Sound refinery? Does that improve access to additional Canadian crudes or change the dynamics up there at all in the business?

Tim Go: Yeah, Ryan, it does change the dynamics. We’re looking right now at maybe a first quarter 2024 start-up. Obviously, as they do the line fill on the pipe before that, it will change some of the supply/demand. We do think that WCS, WTF — WTI, sorry, spread will tighten as that line fill goes in. We think early on, the first couple of years that that WCS/WTI diff will stay tighter, because of the extra takeaway capacity that the TMX line provides. But over the long term, and we think that’s two to three years later, we do think production in Canada will increase and once again exceed the takeaway capacity, and that we’ll be back into kind of the same type of situation that we’re in today. Having said that, keep in mind that our Puget Sound refinery can also run 100% ANS crude from the water.

That we are one of the few refineries in that area that can do that. So we have the ability to switch back between ANS and these Canadian crudes which gives us extra flexibility to take advantage of this volatility that we’ll no doubt see over the next couple of years. And so as today, it makes more sense to try to bring in as much share of the Canadian crude as we can. But in the future, it may make sense to bring in more ANS, and we can do that and optimize our portfolio.

Ryan Todd: I mean as some of those Canadian volumes probably make their way down to California, do you think that may soften up the ANS market? I guess, as a follow-up there.

Tim Go: Yeah. There’s no doubt that will put pressure on the ANS market. The barrels are going to go to Westridge, they’re going to be put on ships and they’re going to likely head to California, maybe some of the Far East. But yes, that will play dynamics in the ANS market, which, again, gives us that advantage since we are able to run either crude and can arb between the two.

Ryan Todd: Great. Thanks guys.

Operator: And our next question is from Jason Gabelman with TD Cowen. Your line is open.

Jason Gabelman: Hi, good morning. Thanks for taking my questions. I want to go back to shareholder returns for a second. Two kind of related questions on that. First, I know the Sinclair family still owns a decent chunk that gives them two Board seats. Any indication if they want to hold — continue to hold the two seats are on and how you think about buybacks with that — with those levels of ownership that they would need. And then somewhat related to that, you had previously guided to a 50% payout ratio of cash starting in 2Q. Does that still hold in this environment, or are you thinking about that differently? Thanks.

Tim Go: Thanks, Jason. Let me take your first question on the family. Obviously, we can’t speak for the family. We don’t know what their intent is, and we wouldn’t be able to speak for it. But what I can tell you is this has been published in the documents that when or if their share count drops below 15%, their two seats on the Board goes down to one seat on the board. So just so you know that is built into the deal. And I’ll turn it over to Atanas to talk about the capital return question.

Atanas Atanasov: Yeah. Jason, I guess the short answer is we still endorse our capital return strategy with our payout ratio target of 50%. We don’t guide on pace, obviously, with this transaction ongoing. And on the negotiation, there are periods we’re blacked out, but no change to our overall strategy and go with 50%.

Jason Gabelman: Okay. And then my follow-up, just on refining dynamics. You noted a couple of plants coming back online in the Rockies region. Have you seen that impact product price premiums you’re getting there? And then separately, what’s your outlook on Brent TI? We’ve seen that come in a bit here. What’s driven that? And do you expect it to remain tighter going forward? Thanks.

Tim Go: Yeah. Jason, we’ve seen plants coming back online, both from planned and unplanned events, in the first quarter. We definitely see the impact in the markets, I mean, for example, in Denver. And as everyone has been watching over the last several months, the cracks there went very high and those cracks have come down from the very high levels. But I’ll tell you, they’re still attractive and they’re still certainly stronger than Gulf Coast cracks given that regional premium that I mentioned earlier. And I’ll point out the same thing with Phoenix. Phoenix has seen very strong cracks. And actually, we’re seeing very strong cracks still right now in Phoenix while there’s a lot of still planned and unplanned downtime occurring in that area.

So we’re very pleased with that. We still think even with all the plants running this summer, Jason that these Rockies markets and the Southwest markets will continue to be very, very strong and very attractive for us. As you can see in the latest margin indicators that we published here at the beginning of the month, we still see the West gross margins has being very strong. On Brent TI, it has come in. Obviously, the OPEC cuts put some pressure on the Brent TI. I think you also saw that the TI is now being included in the basket that they use to talk about dated Brent. I think that has a little bit of an impact on narrowing that spread. But we still think the Brent TI spread is based on freight rates, on transportation. We still think that’s going to be $3 to $4 a barrel long-term.

So, no change there.

Jason Gabelman: Great. Thanks for it.

Operator: And we have a follow-up question from Paul Cheng with Scotiabank. Your line is open.

Paul Cheng: Hey. Thank you. Tim, could you give us an update where you guys in terms of the pathway for the LCFS? Have you already received it? And secondly, that — and secondly, do you have a number you can share about the opportunity cost loss in the first quarter due to the downtime, both planned and unplanned?

Tim Go: Paul thanks for your follow-up question. I can tell you, we have LCFS validation. That is scheduled in the second quarter. Those will be at all three of our renewable diesel plants. And depending on the outcome of those validation visits, we could move from the provisional CIs to the actual CIs. So, we’re hopeful that will occur, and that we’ll benefit from — we’ll start seeing the benefits from that in the third quarter. From an opportunity Cap cost standpoint, Paul, we don’t provide that level of guidance. But I can tell you that from a turnaround and from an unplanned basis, we see a lot of opportunities to improve. And that’s why improving the safety and reliability of our assets is our number one priority. We believe it’s the biggest impact we can have on this company’s results.

And the good news is we have control over it. And we’ve got the people, we’ve got the processes and we’ve got the focus and determination to work on those. Again, I point to the lubes business as an example of how we’ve done that. Pointing to the renewal of diesel business, as you can see that progress that journey happening as well. And then I’ll also say that same journey is happening on the refining side as well.

Paul Cheng: All right. Great. Thank you.

Operator: There are no further questions at this time. I would now like to turn the call back over to Tim Go for final comments.

Tim Go: Thank you, Jack. I just want to wrap-up with a couple of points. First, I would like to recognize the impact that Mike Jennings has made on our company. Over the last three years, he has led us through a global pandemic, built a new renewable diesel business from scratch, bought the Puget Sound refinery and acquired the Sinclair Oil Company to transform this company into HF Sinclair. His leadership, dedication and his compassion for our employees has set the tone at the top and he has been a great mentor to me personally. Mike will be missed, but his legacy will never be forgotten. Second, I want to thank the Board for their confidence in me to lead this company going forward. I’m excited about the opportunity and challenge ahead.

Some things won’t change, like our long-term commitment to return cash to our shareholders; but some things will have to change, like the need to improve our operational performance of our refineries and our renewable diesel business. I’m pleased to welcome the new members of our leadership team. And together, we look forward to growing this business and creating additional value to our shareholders, our communities and our employees. With that, thank you very much for your time today.

Operator: This concludes today’s conference call. We thank you for your participation. You may now disconnect.