Hall of Fame Resort & Entertainment Company (NASDAQ:HOFV) Q3 2023 Earnings Call Transcript

Hall of Fame Resort & Entertainment Company (NASDAQ:HOFV) Q3 2023 Earnings Call Transcript November 14, 2023

Operator: Good morning, and welcome to the Hall of Fame Resort & Entertainment Company’s Third Quarter 2023 Earnings Conference Call. This conference call is being recorded, and all participants are in a listen-only mode. We will open up the conference up for questions-and-answers following the prepared remarks. I will now turn the conference over to Anne Graffice, Executive Vice President, Global Marketing and Public Affairs.

Anne Graffice: Good morning and thank you for joining us for our third quarter 2023 earnings conference call. Our latest press release and supplemental slides were posted yesterday evening after market hours. These documents can be found in the Investor Relations section of our Web site, which is hofreco.com. After this brief introduction, Michael Crawford, our President and Chief Executive Officer will give an update on the company’s strategy and outlook. Benjamin Lee, Chief Financial Officer, will then provide analysis of the quarter’s financial results. During today’s call, we will make forward-looking statements that reflect the company’s current expectations about future plans and performance. These statements rely on assumptions and estimates and actual results may differ materially due to risks and uncertainties.

I encourage each of you to read the full disclosure concerning forward-looking statement [technical difficulty] company uses non-GAAP results to evaluate performance internally as detailed in the press release. I will now turn the call over to Michael Crawford. Michael?

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Michael Crawford: Thank, Anne. Good morning, everyone. It’s a really nice fall day here in Canton, Ohio, so great to have the opportunity to update all of you on what’s been going on with the company over the last quarter, and as we think about going forward. I think we all know November 11 was Veterans Day, so we had a very nice day on campus at the village, celebrating and thanking our veterans for their service, both current and past. There’s been a lot of things happening over the last quarter, and progress at the village. Some of the key highlights, I’ll start with attendance. And it’s been very interesting for us on the attendance front. We’ve implemented a new tool, sort of a geo tracking AI [technical difficultly]. And I’ll talk a little bit more about that in a moment.

But what we’ve realized is that attendance is growing, and we’re actually exceeding our attendance forecast, which is great for us because it offers us an opportunity to monetize against growing attendance in the future. We hosted multiple large events. You will recall that the USFL Championship Game was played here. I know many folks are still very curious about the USFL and XFL merger. I can tell you that I am hopeful that we will play a role in that league in some way, shape, or form. But as of now, we don’t have any relevant updates. I expect to have an update in the very near-term. And of course, as we do, we’ll pass that along to you as our shareholders. We also hosted a variety of different types of events, showcasing the diversity of events that we’re striving to achieve here, from our Kidz Bop event, of course Enshrinement, the NFL Preseason game, the Concert for Legends, Zac Brown did a fantastic job.

We also recently hosted comedian Bill Burr. So, a lot of different types of events, and the events slate is growing. And we’re continuing to look at, not only sport-related, but non sport-related events to build the slate of events for 2024. Our plan is to, prior to the end of this year, announce a more robust calendar for 2024 as well, allowing our guests the opportunity to plan for the events that they would so choose to visit, and the experiences that they would have. I talked about visitor growth. We are experiencing strong growth in visitation. Our focus is now, as people are coming, to give them opportunities to understand what the village is about prior to arrival so that they can plan accordingly. And then also market to them while they’re on site, and create movement and opportunities for guests to experience not only the thing that they came for, but the multiple other types of experiences that they can have while they’re here, be it ride experiences, food and beverage, interactive sporting experiences or win experiences.

And then, of course, we continue to add to the types of things, asset-wise, that our guests can choose to experience while they’re here as well. We added new themed locations in ice-cream and cookies in our SMOOSH location [technical difficulty] and Pizza Oven recently opened. We’ve also added multiple new office tenants in our Constellation Center for Excellence. And those things represent lease revenue for us, and revenue in terms of building out the facility. But they also represent uplift as those tenants come to life, as those office tenants are present Monday through Friday, for different meals on property, potentially hotel stays, and visits to the different events that we’re hosting. We’re expecting to open later this month our Donald Driver Driven Elite experience.

Remember, there are two different business opportunities that we’ve signed with Donald. One, a retail fitness facility here in the Constellation Center for Excellence, and then also this higher-end training opportunity, this Driven Elite concept in our Center for Performance. And both of those we expect to be opening in the next month. Heggy’s Nut Shop also expected to open the very near-term, probably within the next three to four weeks. And so, you can see the differences and experiences that we’re creating for our guests, and the opportunities for them to stay, and extend, and play. There were five relevant key priorities for Q3. And I would say not only Q3, but this is the focus for our team. Our team did a great job, I think, in executing, as you will have seen in our Q3 numbers.

We did grow revenue. And we also balanced that revenue growth with expense growth. And so, our goal always has been to spend the dollars where they’re going to have the greatest impact for us. And we continue to manage the cost base in terms of what we’re spending, and how we’re spending. And also, our staffing models, to be most efficient. We also expect to close the remaining financing required for the completion of our Phase 2 assets in the very near-term. But the point I’d like to make here is related to the cost base, and as you may very well understand that every time we close new financing, there is cost associated with that. There are legal costs, there are financing costs, placement costs. And so, those types of expenses I expect to not only be reduced in the coming months and years, but to actually go away because we won’t have the need to consistently finance new assets.

And so, that will also contribute to our bottom line not having to have those types of expenditures. We’ve had approximately one full-year of operation through Q3 as a company. And as I talked about, this new attendance intelligence is showing us that our model is really working, creating events, creating new opportunities for our guests to come and experience assets. And we’re excited about what’s to come. Obviously, our waterpark is in full swing and in development. And our on-site hotel is about ready to break ground. The reason that hasn’t broken ground, we’ve needed that space. It’s a very tight corner in the village there, the northern end, we’ve needed that space as a laydown area for all of the construction equipment and all the materials for the waterpark.

And now that that is coming to an end in terms of the outside core and shell being completed, the actual work was started on the inside of that facility. And hopefully, continue to allow us to build the hotel on the site just adjacent to it. We are getting smarter at how guests are arriving and the timing of those arrivals by event and for a typical Friday night or a Monday afternoon. That’s allowing us to really evolve our staffing models and our expense base as well. And so, as I have always said, it takes time to stabilize operation. I think we are actually getting there sooner than what opportunities really have afforded us to over the last year. But I think the influence that we are having now over the guests and they arrive and expanding their thoughts around what the village can represent are all very important aspects of driving growth for the company.

We are looking at increasing efficiencies in every aspect. We brought on not only in terms of expense management but in terms of revenue growth we brought on like packaging, pricing all of those types of things. I think we are getting more efficient at that. And, we are seeing that in the context of revenue as well day to day and in the event category as well. Many of our assets have been completed. And, we are continuing to evolve our tenant mix. There are a lot of tenants that we are in discussion with for the remaining boxes. The good news here is not a lot of remaining boxes. But, we want to have a more curated experience. And so, we are really focused on putting the right tenants to complement the ones that we have in place. And, we think that we’ll have a good set of tenants over the next couple of months to talk about as well.

Synergy has been a big focus for us continuing to influence as people arrive, what they do. People who are coming for an individual experience, but we are now seeing them come earlier, stay later. They are having ride experiences at Play-Action Plaza. They are dining. They are shopping. And so, that’s a very good thing for us because we want to create the synergy between the assets and between the experiences for guests to expand and have unique offerings for them to enjoy while they are here. The DoubleTree is a great example of that. As we continue to grow onsite events, onsite business travelers et cetera, the DoubleTree has continued to stabilize and probably even more quickly than what I hoped for. Coming from the hotel business, that does typically take 3 to 4 years as well.

I think we have gotten there in a couple of years. And, it’s not a profitable asset. It also ranks in the top from a financial performance standpoint, at the very top in this region. And more importantly, it ranks nationally from a customer service point of view. And so, I have always said everything we do, it’s important to create assets that are going to drive great experiences and memorable experiences for our guest to enjoy. I want to congratulate the team there. They recently won the Brighter Together Care Award by Hilton, which is the award that recognizes the outstanding service and guest experiences by category of brand that they have in their family. We won that for the DoubleTree category. It’s an absolutely fantastic achievement.

And, we continue to be in the top service categories for them since we have been open. The second thing that we talk about a lot and I have talked about even in the last earnings call is restructuring our balance sheet. Even though we had to make over the last three years decision in terms of equity offerings, in terms of the type of debt that we have brought on to finance each asset individually in a very difficult environment starting with the global health pandemic, But, moving through an inflationary environment, wars. A lot of things have influenced how the lending environment has continued to evolve and frankly tightened up. And so, we want to make sure that our balance sheet is structured in a way that it allows us for the right runway to stabilize the business but also sets up long-term success.

A good example of that focus in Q3 was the restructuring of the DoubleTree capital stack. We looked at the senior construction loan there. It was maturing. We talked to lender in Erie Bank. We reduced that senior loan amount reducing the interest rate. And we also extended that maturity to be more favorable for us. We offset that reduced loan by adding other really favorable financial instruments, the property — the PACE lending that we do, the tourism development district bonding that we do. We added small chunks of that to the hotel cap stack, allowing us to have a much more balanced sheet there and also allowing us to increase the opportunity for us to drop more to the bottom line. The refinance and the structuring of assets is really important for us and it is something that the team will continue to focus on, not only were they doing it in Q3, but over the next couple of years.

As I talked about, we have brought on a consultant that will also help us in that effort, taking a look at the types of debt that we have and then also thinking through how to extend those or sort of remodel those to give us that better balance sheet profile. Then I’ll talk a little bit more on his remarks about the process that we’re working on with the waterpark and the hotel and the public debt financing and how that’s working to date. I will say that that has taken a little longer than what we hoped, but it is the right type of debt for us and so the process, while it has to go through the legislative process for approvals and it takes a little longer, it is well worth the wait that we get the right type of debt profile on those remaining two assets.

We did do a small equity raise. We took down a portion of our existing shelf registration, previously talked about at the market offering. And we did that for a few reasons. One, it allowed us to go back to institutions and increase their ownership in the company. Two, it provided a little more liquidity in the stock. The volume in the stock was trading at a very low volume after our reverse stock split. You’ll recall we needed to do that reverse stock split at the time to meet NASDAQ trading requirements. And while I know that that was difficult for some people to understand, it was absolutely necessary for our company to have the opportunity to remain on the NASDAQ and for all of our shareholders to have access to that industry for trading purposes.

And so, the offering helped us increase the volume in the stock as well and provided a small chunk of additional equity for the company. We are aware that we do have a complicated capital structure. I’ve just talked about that. And strengthening our balance sheet and improving our financial stability is mission one, not only for the company, but to increase the types and profile of investors that we bring into our company, both today and going forward. This is a company that is growing. I think we’re demonstrating that quarter-over-quarter, year-over-year, but it takes time for real estate, for media, for gaming to all have the runway for growth till it can be stabilized. And so, our stock is not in need of traders. We don’t need day traders coming and trying to trade in and out of the stock.

We need investors. We need people who understand the business model, who buy into the business model and understand that over time, there’s going to be a lot of value here. I think we’re trading today below asset value and there are a lot of reasons for that. Obviously, the markets are in stress as well, but this is something that I feel very strongly about in terms of attracting the right types of investors into our company. Thirdly, we’re identifying the right deal and business partners. The media vertical is a good example of that. While it’s still in early stages in terms of our pipeline development, we’ve brought in partners like Brink’s Television and we’ve actually produced and distributed multiple episodes of the go code. This is a really cool show that talks to the aspects of being a Hall of Famer, the sort of secret sauce, if you will, as to how these greatest athletes to ever play professional football got to where they are at.

It also highlights our access to unique intellectual property to create media content like that. And so, a partner like Brinks, a partner like Reach Television, a partner like Amazon Prime distributing a show that we have right now, a docu-series out called NFL Alumni Academy Next Man Up. I’m very proud of the fact that that really showcased the Hall of Fame Village. It also shows if you watch it and it’s a great show talking about these kids who didn’t make an NFL team and the sacrifices that they’re making and training and developing and continuing to stay sharp so that if they get their chance to be called up, they’re ready for it. But it shows how far the village development has actually come. This was season two of that show and there was a lot of dirt around in Canton and now it’s a lot of buildings and experiences.

It also shows the synergy because the show was being filmed here on campus in Tom Benson Hall of Fame Stadium. The athletes were staying in our hotel. There were a lot of meeting rooms being rented, a lot of catering. And so, there was a lot of uplift created by that show not only from a revenue point of view, but from a brand marketing point of view of today. Sports betting better continue to be in line with our expectations. I think they’re doing it, no pun intended, better than most in that category of online sports betting. The micro betting has been their focus for that prop betting, but they’ve now evolved their model to that more mainstream type of betting as well, and they’re seeing growth quarter-over-quarter, and we’re really proud to have them as partners.

And we’re also benefiting from the fact that we took a ownership stake in the company, and so as they expand and achieve residency in multiple different states by gaining access to the licenses to allow for their platforms to exist in those states, so do we by our ownership stake. On-site, we’re looking for those retail partners. We’re opening new experiences. We’re having discussions, as I said earlier, with many meaningful partners that will allow us to curate a great experience, a differentiated experience here in the village versus in other places that you may visit. One key learning is on-site sports betting, it’s the reality of mobile betting versus retail betting, and what we’re seeing in the state of Ohio, which is consistent with what’s being seen across the country, mobile betting, it’s just dominating the actual space.

90% of bets are coming through mobile betting, so 80-plus percent of revenue is also coming through mobile betting. That’s not to say that a retail presence wouldn’t benefit us. We’re in discussion with several partners that I think would be really great for us to have here on campus and partners for the company, but the fact is this is more about an experience than it is about significant revenue growth for us. We expect the revenue growth to come through mobile, and we’re going to continue the focus there as most of you continue your focus on using that platform as betting. I think retail-wise, we are different. It is interesting, we are seeing some retail sports betting operators leave the partnerships that they have in Ohio. It is a fragmented group between sports franchises, casinos, racinos, don’t have attendance all day.

And into the evening, they have them for a special event. I think that’s where we are very different in our business model. There is always something going on at our destination. There are always visitors here 365 days. So, that’s our focus, looking at a great partnership that we can implement here at the Village that we can add value to what they do, and they can add value to our guest experience. Sponsorship deals, we did eight new deals in Q3, totaling over a million dollars of new value to the company. That’s very impressive, again, in a difficult environment where marketing dollars from companies are tight in terms of their spending. You see all across the country and the world, frankly, companies cutting back on labor, cutting back on spending because of the inflationary environment that we’re living in.

But we’ve recently announced in Q3 and at the early stage of Q4, some significant partners, Diageo, Coke, Jim Beam, Ohio Lottery. A lot of these partners not only enhance our capabilities in terms of the guest offering, but again, drive significant revenue for us long-term to the bottom line. I know one thing that is on everyone’s mind, I get a lot of questions about this, is where are we at in the Johnson Controls arbitration process? Here’s what I can tell you. We finished the arbitration process in early October. There was a three-arbitre panel. We presented our case. Johnson Controls presented theirs. We expect to have a ruling on that by the end of this month. Other than that, I don’t really have any updates. I’m hopeful, based on the case that we put on, that we will receive a favorable ruling.

I think, as I’ve said before, we were in the right. We were good partners to Johnson Controls. And I think their termination of the agreement was wrong, but we’ll leave that up to the arbitration panel to decide. And as I said, we will have a decision by that panel by the end of the month. The fourth thing is, we continue to work and develop on new assets, right? The waterpark has been in full swing this year. We’ve been very lucky with weather. That asset will be completely enclosed by the end of the year, but we’ve also been able to parallel path some of the water work development on the inside, which is unique. We’ve worked a lot with our contractors to be able to start that work, and so we’re still targeting a Q3 opening of the waterpark next year.

I talked about the Hilton Tapestry starting very soon. We’d like to believe that we could open that on or around the same time of the waterpark. The reality is it’s probably going to trail that by a couple of months. But again, we needed to slow that development down, so we have the appropriate area beside the waterpark for laydown of materials and construction equipment. And the last thing I would say that we’ve done is focus on unique guest experiences. We want to put together and hump for dinner, we want them to come stay and play and so as we talk a lot about unique experiences but we also need to think about how do we communicate those and how do we make those easier for our guests to access and so we hired a new position as I said in charge of revenue growth optimizing pricing, optimizing packaging opportunities and really helping us think about growth and synergy between all of the assets that we have to sell and for our guests to experience.

The other thing that this position is helping us do is build our concession business and our merchandise business. We have a small merchandise business that I’m hopeful can grow over time meaning selling shirts and hats and hoodies and different things like that we’ve I think got a really unique concept and brand and we want to be able to monetize that and so we’re hopeful that as we create more unique experiences, more guests come as I said we’re seeing the attendance growth, and that attendance growth is leading to revenue growth and we’re managing our costs accordingly. And I’ll turn it over to Ben and have him take you through our financial review.

Benjamin Lee: Thanks Mike and good morning everyone moving on to financial results, third quarter total revenue was $8.7 million, which represents an increase of 8% from the same period in the prior year. Third quarter revenue growth was primarily driven by increased event and rental revenue at the Hall of Fame Village and higher operating revenue at our DoubleTree hotel. Third quarter adjusted EBITDA was minus $5.5 million compared to minus $7.8 million in the same period last year . The change from the same period in the prior year was primarily driven by decreased operating expenses related to lower event costs and reduced sponsorship expenses continue to gain efficiencies and improve profitability as we work to reach stabilization.

The company posted a net loss of $16.4 million in the quarter, interest expense increased to $6.0 million, resulting from higher debt balances and lower capitalized interest as assets are placed into service. This was partially offset by $1.3 million in other income representing a combination of the change in fair value of our warrant liability and interest rate swap and again recognized on the sale of certain property. Moving to the balance sheet, we finished the quarter with a cash and liquid investment balance of approximately $12 million compared to $29 million at the end of the prior quarter. The company’s uses of cash was attributed to operating activities already highlighted in construction expenditures, which totaled approximately $17 million during the quarter.

Our net debt balance increased to $202 million compared to $195 million at the end of the prior quarter. The increase in notes payable during the quarter was primarily due to accruals of paid in kind interest and new drawdowns under the fan engagement zone, senior loan reassigned to CH capital lending, recent macro trends and credit conditions have resulted in significant tightening in the lending markets and higher borrowing costs. However, the support from our largest shareholder industrial realty group and our ability to source capital with the support of local municipal and state funding programs has provided us the opportunity to raise funding and investment as operating needs arise. We remain intensely focused on taking on the right kind of financing while optimizing the capital stack for each asset.

This focus is demonstrated in October as the company completed several transactions that might discuss during his remarks with the completion of the DoubleTree refinancing and the recent equity offering. We continue to work towards closing all of the necessary financing required for Phase II construction including multiple financing transactions related to the waterpark and on-site hotel. To reiterate, we are in a very challenging and restrictive credit environment that we are working diligently to close the remaining construction financing needed to fund these critical assets. More broadly, and as noted in prior quarters, we are working to restructure and optimize our overall capital structure in a way that provides the company the best opportunity to move efficiently towards continued stabilization of all facets of our state of business model.

The company has recently engaged a financial advisory firm to assist in these efforts and to help assess short-term liquidity needs. Moving to guidance, we are reiterating our 2023 forecast of revenue growth in excess of 50% when compared to 2022 and adjusted EBITDA in the low to mid $20 million range. As we have highlighted, with the company and village in the very early growth stages, we expect revenue growth to accelerate and profitability to improve as we move towards stabilization. Longer-term, we continue to target $150 million of annual run rate revenue, and approximately $50 million of annual run rate adjusted EBITDA across the key pillars once stabilization is achieved. Those key pillars again are destination-based assets, our media platforms, and our gaming vertical.

The revenue and EBITDA generation will be diversified across multiple streams, with each one driving synergies to support the ecosystem we’re working to build. In closing, the company is mindful of the current economic environment, and remain intensely focused on driving profitability through diversified revenue streams and very disciplined cost management, while making strategic investments to support our continued growth. And finally, and you’ve come to expect, we will continue to provide transparent and timely updates to all of our shareholders as we move ahead. Operator, we would now like to open the line for any questions.

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Q&A Session

Operator: Thank you. We will now be conducting a question-and-answer session. [Operator Instructions] Our first question is from Jack Vander Aarde with Maxim Group. Please proceed with your question.

Jack Vander Aarde: Okay, great. I appreciate the update on the capital structure and the jobs and Johnson Controls update. And it’s good to see the record quarterly revenue. So, maybe I’ll start with a question for either maybe Michael or Benjamin just because I don’t have the financial statements in front of me. I’ll start with a question on the third quarter revenue drivers, which was obviously a record quarter, so it’s good to see. But maybe just more specific on the drivers and a breakout between events and hotel revenues, just given it wasn’t such as nice jump from the second quarter, but again kind of the same existing activities and infrastructure in place. So, what were the more specific drivers of the revenue? Thanks.

Benjamin Lee: Yes, sure, Jack. Yes, it’s a good question. We’ve continued to see success with the hotel. That we had a meaningful increase, about 10% or so in hotel revenues, well that’s quarter-over-quarter from the prior year, about the same amount. The third quarter here, we also had a really good bump in event revenue versus prior year. So, those are — this talks a little bit to the synergies that Mike talked about as we had those larger, more profitable events on site in the village here. We’re also seeing the synergy of driving additional revenue to the hotel. So, from a breakout standpoint that’s really the attribution of this quarterly revenue between those two sources.

Michael Crawford: The only other thing I’d add, Jack, and Ben’s covered the major points. I’m very focused though on, we own the Shula’s restaurant that is owned by the Hall of Fame Resort & Entertainment Company, growing that revenue can be meaningful for us. The TopGolf Swing Suites is owned by us. We have outdoor rides and concessions. So, we’re really focusing on the things that we have, driving more people into those, and making them more efficient. And certainly with event growth you have that opportunity. But I think we’re getting smarter at the Monday through Friday day-to-day growth as well. And so, I expect that to be a more meaningful contributor as we move forward in the coming months and years.

Jack Vander Aarde: Okay, great. That’s great color, thanks. And then, Michael, you did touch on in your opening remarks, strong attendance, and visitor growth has been better than, I guess, you guys were forecasting, which is great to hear. Are there any specific or interesting trends you’re seeing with regard to your visitors? Are any visitors, are they mostly first-timers? Any repeat visitors? Do you get a sense that you’re going to have repeat visitors? Just what are you seeing in the data? Thanks.

Michael Crawford: Yes, I think as we develop more what I would call day-to-day use assets, restaurants, waterpark, things that people will want to come back to and do over and over again, we’re seeing an increase in repeat visitation. But the fun and interesting thing is we’re also seeing an increase in event repeat visitation. What I mean by that is the big types of sporting events, lacrosse tournaments, football tournaments, we’re seeing those organizers, because of the growth in our facilities and because of the experience we’re offering them, frankly they’re excited about coming back year-over-year. I would say new visitors are all about events. And as they’re coming for events are opportunities to convert them from a first-time visitor to a multiuse visitor.

And so, frankly, I spend a lot of time walking around during major events, and festivals, and things that we’re having, and listening to guests. And the words that are coming back are, “We didn’t realize that you had so much here. And it’s fun the see the growth that’s occurred here in a very short period of time. We’ll definitely be coming back.” So, I would say that the split right now is probably more repeat visitation with first-time visitation on the rise over the course of this past six months. And certainly, that’s what we expect as we continue to build out more like the waterpark or more events that are going to be occurring on property as well.

Jack Vander Aarde: Okay, great color there. And then, maybe let me shift gears. I understand your perspective and focus in terms of sports betting is on the mobile front versus the retail, which makes sense just given the marketplace dynamics. But can you maybe provide some additional color on your mobile sports betting roadmap as you’re heading into 2024? And do you expect a material — is there potential for material contribution from it? Just anything additional you can provide on the mobile sports betting front? Thanks.

Michael Crawford: Well, I think the way in which we’ve structured our partnership with Betr, we wanted to be good partners and give them an opportunity in the early years of the partnership to really stand the platform up, gain users, and drive growth into the platform. So, over time, the deal that we’ve struck with them does create more guaranteed value in the 10-year deal that we have. And so, yes, you’ll see increased bottom line contribution from that deal. But I’m also encouraged by how they’re evolving the platform itself, and how they’re continuing to evolve their thinking about marketing. Look, they are an early-stage company just like we are, and so they’re competing against big brands in the DraftKings, in the Caesars, in the MGMs. But I think what they’re doing is finding this following that really does like and appreciate the difference in the platform.

And so, I’m hopeful that that’s going to really help it grow and add a different revenue source for us in terms of percentage of the overall bet. Recall, our deal with them is a fixed contribution and sponsorship, and that at certain thresholds we get a percentage of the bet as well. I think we’ll reach that as they continue to mature and advance their audience and the users of their platform.

Jack Vander Aarde: Okay, great. Thanks, Michael. And then, just one more question for me and I’ll hop back in the queue. I believe I heard you guys are reiterating your 2023 guidance, which is good to hear, so I have a good read-through on the fourth quarter. Sounds like the waterpark remains on track to open in the third quarter of next year, in ’24. So, just wondering if, at this point in time, maybe it’s too soon to talk about it but given the magnitude of the waterpark, obviously, but is there any initial outlook you can talk about for 2024 just relative to 2023 or are we — is it too early to talk about that? Thank you. That’s it for me.

Benjamin Lee: Yes, Jack, this is Ben. It’s a little early. We’re in the final stages right now of capping our annual operating plan for ’24. We’ll be presenting that to our Board in the next couple of weeks here for approval, so a little premature to provide anything at this point. I will say we are expecting continued revenue growth, as you’d expect, continued improvement in EBITDA. And expect that we’ll be generating positive operating leverage next year. As you mentioned, the waterpark, expected to come on late next year. That will certainly contribute to both top line as well. But we’ll be putting guidance out as we get through this operating plan review with the Board in the next couple of weeks.