Dan Ives Says Apple’s (AAPL) ‘Renaissance of Growth’ Has Begun — Is He Too Optimistic?

We recently published a list of Top 10 Trending AI Stocks in Q4. In this article, we are going to take a look at where Apple Inc. (NASDAQ:AAPL) stands against other top trending AI stocks in Q4.

As LLMs continue to hog data from the open internet for training, publishers are growing concerned about their intellectual property and compensation. In a latest development, The New York Times issued a cease and desist letter to Perplexity to stop using its data for training without permission.

Gene Munster of Deepwater Asset Management, while talking about this news on CNBC, said that these developments could prove “horrendous” for LLMs in the short term.

“The short-term economics for these large language models is horrendous, and so, I think it changes from bad to worse in the short term. I just want to put some quick context around those numbers. Right now, OpenAI pays NewsCorp about $50 million. They’re going to do about $4 billion in revenue this year and $11 billion next year, so, I mean, it’s measurable.”

However, Munster thinks in the long term, these licensing deals would not impact major LLM companies negatively given the ROI they’d be enjoying.

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The analyst also made a prediction about Perplexity. He believes the company would be acquired because it’s competing with a lot of “big guns.” He quoted Oracle’s Larry Ellison who said that it takes about $100 billion to be a “proprietary” large language model.

“So, you look at the $6 billion at OpenAI, and you need to be raising in chunks of billions, not millions. Understand that it’s a big raise for a private company that’s moving quickly, but they’re going to get acquired. They’re just up against too many other big guns here to try to get to those coveted four or five spots of the LLM landscape.”

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Finally, something to cheer for Apple Inc (NASDAQ:AAPL) bulls. A latest report showed iPhone 16 sales in China increased by 20% year-over-year during the first three weeks of launch, indicating that a “renaissance of growth has begun” for Apple Inc (NASDAQ:AAPL), according to Wedbush Securities.

“We note that both iPhone 16 and Huawei’s new model went on sale September 20th in this key region,” analyst Dan Ives wrote in a note to clients. “The strength from Apple in particular is coming from the higher end Pro and Pro Max as models are up an eye-popping 44% from a year ago iPhone 15 sales. This industry analysis is consistent with our recent Asia trip and supply chain checks that we believe China sales for iPhone 16 will show a strong rebound over the next year with the beginning of this AI driven super cycle led by iPhone 16.”

Ives kept his Outperform rating and $300 price target for Apple Inc (NASDAQ:AAPL). He added that Apple Inc (NASDAQ:AAPL) is expected to collaborate with Baidu (BIDU) for AI initiatives in China, much like its partnership with OpenAI in the U.S. This could further boost iPhone upgrades in the region, he suggested.

“Apple launching AI coupled by a massive pent-up upgrade cycle is creating this new era of iPhone growth including in the key China region which has been a drag on the top-line over the past year. We believe there are 100 million Chinese iPhones in the window of an upgrade opportunity alone for 2025.”

Ives also said Apple Inc (NASDAQ:AAPL) might sell over 240 million iPhones “as this AI-driven upgrade cycle takes hold.”

However, buying Apple just on iPhone 16 hopes could be risky.

Almost every bullish case on Apple Inc (NASDAQ:AAPL) was built around this assumption: millions of people would rush to upgrade their iPhone because of AI features. But the latest numbers for iPhone 16 do not show much enthusiasm for the new device.

Apple Inc (NASDAQ:AAPL) has been seeing a long-term decline in mobile carrier upgrade rates, especially postpaid, for several years. This suggests that people are holding onto their devices longer, likely due to economic factors, satisfaction with current technology, or a lack of exciting new features in recent models. This trend isn’t great for Apple Inc (NASDAQ:AAPL). Can Apple Intelligence break this trend? We’ll find out soon.

However, the assumption that we will see a huge upgrade cycle of iPhone just because of AI is big and comes with a lot of risks. Apple Inc (NASDAQ:AAPL) trades at a forward PE multiple of around 35x, well above its 5-year average of nearly 27x. Its expected EPS forward long-term growth rate of 10.39% does not justify its valuation, especially with the iPhone upgrade cycle assumption. Adjusting for this growth results in a forward PEG ratio of 3.33, significantly higher than its 5-year average of 2.38.

Vltava Fund stated the following regarding Apple Inc. (NASDAQ:AAPL) in its Q3 2024 investor letter:

“You probably have not missed the news that Warren Buffett has already sold half the stock from his largest public markets investment, Apple Inc. (NASDAQ:AAPL). It was a phenomenal investment for Berkshire. Over the course of seven years or so, it brought a profit of well over USD 100 billion. Apple comprised a very large position within Berkshire’s public portfolio, and this was the reason we avoided Apple stock outright during that time. We considered our exposure to Apple through our holdings of Berkshire stock to be sufficient, and we ended up making a lot of money on it. There has been a great deal of speculation in the market about what Buffett’s sale of Apple signals regarding his view of the stock market. I think the reason for the sale is much simpler. Buffett probably considers Apple stock so expensive that he prefers to cash in at 20% less (after all, Berkshire must pay tax on its profits). He started selling in the first quarter of the year. When I was in Omaha for the general meeting in May, Buffett said he was still selling, and I expect he continued to do so in the third quarter. I have to say that, as a Berkshire shareholder, I am happy about the Apple sale. I think Berkshire’s management will find a better use for this money, as they always have in the past. It is quite likely that they already have a very specific idea about this. If that takes two or three years, it does not matter at all. This is not a race and, in the meantime, the risk of holding Berkshire Hathaway stock itself has been greatly reduced.”

Overall, AAPL ranks 3rd on our list of top trending AI stocks in Q4. While we acknowledge the potential of AAPL, our conviction lies in the belief that under the radar AI stocks hold greater promise for delivering higher returns, and doing so within a shorter timeframe. If you are looking for an AI stock that is more promising than AAPL but that trades at less than 5 times its earnings, check out our report about the cheapest AI stock.

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