Clearwater Analytics Holdings, Inc. (NYSE:CWAN) Q4 2024 Earnings Call Transcript

Clearwater Analytics Holdings, Inc. (NYSE:CWAN) Q4 2024 Earnings Call Transcript March 2, 2024

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Operator: Good day, everyone. Thank you for standing by. Welcome to Clearwater Analytics Fourth Quarter 2023 Earnings Conference call. During today’s presentation, all parties will be in a listen-only mode. Following the presentation, the call will be open for questions. I would now like to turn the call over to Joon Park, Head of Investor Relations at Clearwater Analytics. Joon, please go ahead.

Joon Park: Thank you and welcome, everyone, to Clearwater Analytics Fourth Quarter and Full Year 2023 Financial Results Conference call. Joining me on the call today are Sandeep Sahai, Chief Executive Officer; and Jim Cox, Chief Financial Officer. After their remarks, we will open the call to a question-and-answer session. I would like to remind all participants that during this conference call, any forward-looking statements are made pursuant to the Safe Harbor provisions of the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. Expressions of future goals, intentions and expectations, including in relation to business outlook, future financial and product performance and similar items, including without limitation, expressions using the terminology may, will, can, expect and believe, and expressions which reflect something other than historical facts are intended to identify forward-looking statements.

Forward-looking statements involve a number of risks and uncertainties, including those discussed in the Risk Factor section of filings with the SEC. Actual results may differ materially from any forward-looking statements. The company undertakes no obligation to revise or update any forward-looking statements in order to reflect events that may arise after this conference call except as required by law. For more information, please refer to the cautionary statement included in our earnings press release. Before the market opens tomorrow morning, we plan to file with the SEC a Form 10-K for the fiscal year ended December 31, 2023. Lastly, all metrics discussed on this call are presented on a non-GAAP or adjusted basis and include the results of JUMP technologies since the acquisition on November 30, 2022, unless otherwise noted.

A reconciliation to GAAP results can be found in the earnings press release that we have posted to our investor relations website. With that, I’ll turn the call over to our Chief Executive Officer, Sandeep Sahai.

Sandeep Sahai: Thank you, Joon, and thank you all for joining us. Let me start by saying that I’m incredibly proud of what we have achieved as a company over the last five years. We are on a mission to be the world’s most trusted and comprehensive technology platform that simplifies the entire investment management lifecycle, and eventually, revolutionizes the world of investing. While we are very ambitious, we want to build a durable business that grows consistently while improving unit economics, margin, EBITDA and cash flow. That’s why 2023 was a great year. Revenue grew 21.3%. Gross margin was 139 basis points better than the previous year. Adjusted EBITDA was 203 basis points higher than the previous year, and finally, our cash flow for the year increased by 57.2%.

We have often talked about the power of our single instance multi-tenant platform and the network effect it produces, but the growth in Europe and then in Asia, and finally, new asset classes have masked the true impact. We’re delighted to note that in 2023 we grew our revenue 21% without adding a single net new employee to our operations team, reflecting the true power of the network effect aided by Gen AI. We have always insisted that it was not just about cost efficiency. Clients would be happier because the network effect made our data better and they would get their data faster. No surprise then that even though we did not add any operational headcount, we grew NPS and improved our employee satisfaction score. Finally, we are taking the Gen AI powered technology we have been using internally to our customers, and we launched Clearwater’s Intelligent Console this month.

Clearwater’s success starts with disruptive technology. At our core, we believe that the level of complexity across the investing world is incredibly high and is a moving target. The emergence of new asset classes, new geographies, new rules and regulations, surrounding investments, and finally, regulatory reporting, all continue to add to complexity. You simply cannot solve this effectively with patchwork legacy technology. That is why we believe that our prospects need to move to a modern technology like Clearwater. And our platform which is truly disruptive, has never been more ready to scale. We completed the transition to the public cloud in less than a year, with little to no disruption to the operating teams or clients, thereby meaningfully altering our ability to scale the business.

And because it is a single instance multitenant platform, there is no migration. All, not most, but all of our clients are automatically on the public cloud. Let me pause here. For much of our industry, such a migration would have been a multi-year endeavor. Not for us because we are a single instance multitenant platform. Make no mistake, this endeavor took much of last year and involved more than half of our R&D team. With that completed, we are really excited that we can now devote more than 60% of all R&D capacity to growth-related product development. And while new products take some time to build and take to market, we have the track record with Prism and LPx to show that we know how to innovate effectively. We view the journey towards NRR 115% as an incredibly strategic endeavor, and investing in new products that we deliver to our current customers is absolutely integral to our plans.

More specifically, we are working jointly with our customers to innovate in five different areas. Number one, Investment Data Consolidation, which includes our Clearwater Prism product that offers a centralized hub of Investment Data which can then be used for client analytics and reporting, thereby helping our clients grow faster. An example is a win with a large private investment firm. They were struggling with custodial feeds, reconciliation and accurate tax slot data, and wanted a holistic view of their custody, brokerage and alternative assets. By pulling data from their accounting system, their CRM and their journal ledger, we proved that Clearwater’s combined offering of an accounting platform and our next-gen Investment Data Hub has the capacity to make their business much more efficient and competitive.

Number two, Asset Class and Fund Expansion. Like our Clearwater LPx and MLx products and other solutions that allow clients to dive deeper into those assets and analyze the underlying assets in much greater detail. Let me give you some real-life examples for Q4. We have continued to win LPx and LPx Clarity deals. As you know, late last year we launched Clearwater MLx, a comprehensive all-in-one solution for mortgage loan investors. In 2023, we partnered with one of our REIT clients who is now transitioning their business purpose loans to MLx. Before choosing Clearwater, this client struggled with a competing product that couldn’t handle draws on construction loans. After reviewing the available solutions in the market, they opted for Clearwater MLx, and we are delighted to count them as another satisfied REIT client.

Number three, Front and Middle Office solutions that allow customers to get a full front-to-back solution from Clearwater in a modular architecture by including Clearwater Core, JUMP Performance Plus and Risk Plus. This opens new TAM within and outside our current customer base. An example of this is our recent win with CCR. CCR is a leading reinsurer in Europe that selected Clearwater’s platform for the entire investment lifecycle. Number four, Platform Innovations that provide our existing clients specialized add-on modules for their accounting and reporting needs. These include region-specific, country-specific GAAP accounting customized data feeds and toolkits that support our clients’ unique period-end close requirements. Number five, New Frontiers that allow us to apply advanced technology like Generative AI and machine learning to the investment world, both for internal benefit and for client use.

These solutions take the manual work out of things like book heel calculations, perform income validations, verify lockdown procedures are correct, and more. You can think of this as the intersection of process and technology that empowers people to move faster while still ensuring quality. And while it is early days for the innovative products we are bringing to market, there are some very good initial signs. Let me begin with a leading insurer in the North American insurance market. This client is an excellent example of successfully integrating the Clearwater platform with our JUMP OMS solution to provide a comprehensive platform. During the search for an OMS to comply with new regulations mandating a T+1 trading system, this insurer evaluated other solutions in the industry.

The Clearwater JUMP OMS proved how it can optimize each step of the trade workflow, specifically with our accounting system as an ideal connection point. We met all the requirements for this insurer, instilling the confidence and trust necessary for them to partner with us. Another example is the progress we have made in the stable value funds domain. In Q4, a global investment management firm operating with fully homegrown systems faced significant strain on their IT resources and the manual work from their operations team. With the rapid expansion into new contract types, asset classes and clients, their teams operated on different platforms and relied heavily on email for data exchange. The front office group lacked insight into the underlying investments of their contracts, hindering the ability to evaluate new potential strategies and differentiate themselves in the market.

The back office teams struggled to meet the demands of the front office group in a timely manner, resulting in a flood of emails reaching issuers, subadvisors, internal trade desks, fund accountants and other stakeholders. Clearwater provided the best-in-class solution they needed. Both teams now operate on the same system, enabling easy access to data for end users and significantly reducing the strain and risk across the organization. Our client sought a vendor whose platform would become an industry gold standard, and they identified Clearwater as precisely that. Our ability to showcase our stable value product capable of supporting front, middle, and back office functions outperformed other competing products they evaluated. In Q4, a leading retirement and life insurance company chose Clearwater to power and automate their solution for the European Taxonomy Reporting, thus fulfilling its ESG reporting requirements.

This client is working with Clearwater to integrate their new data sets including non-native Clearwater abort portfolios, and further streamline the client’s ESG reporting process. Clearwater Prism ingests portfolio data, including separate account investments not on Clearwater, enriches it with ESG data, runs calculation, and generates the required ESG reports. The client is very pleased with our world-class client services team and we consistently demonstrate the agility and commitment to address our clients’ custom requirements, thereby achieving their goals. Looking ahead we want to do the following. Number one, focus on innovation leading to increased back-to-base sales, and thereby continue to make progress on our path towards NRR 115%.

We are investing heavily and expect to see some results in 2024 and a more robust return on investment in 2025. Second, grow our presence in Europe and Asia more aggressively. Towards that end, we are excited to welcome Keith Viverito to our Executive team. Keith has a deep understanding of the industry, has over 20 years of experience in high-growth companies serving financial markets, and is a perfect fit to lead Clearwater’s expansion internationally in EMEA and APAC. Number three, investment accounting technology accounts for roughly 1 bp client spend and we want to add capabilities and products that allow us to address the other 3 bps, which constitutes the full investment management space. To help that transition, we are very happy to welcome Shane Akaroyd to our team.

Shane is our Chief Strategy Officer and has helped grow market an IHS market, and finally S&P through organic growth and M&A. Fourth, focus on continued operational excellence via increased use of Gen AI. As a summary, we continue to delight our customers and are grateful for the trust they have in us. We have an exciting multiproduct roadmap along the five vectors I just described. We have a team of industry experts who ensure our client success and we are capitalizing on the latest technologies to improve both our internal operations and deliver unparalleled scale and growth opportunities for so many critical companies around the world. With that, I’d like to turn it back to Jim to cover our detailed metrics and guidance.

Jim Cox: Thanks, Sandeep, and thank you all for joining us. On the heels of Q3’s strong results, I’m happy to report robust results where we beat guidance on the top and bottom line for both Q4 and the full year 2023. Full-year revenue grew at 21% year-over-year while expanding margin with Q4 EBITDA margin at 30.3% and full-year EBITDA margin at 28.8%, which was higher than the prior year’s full-year EBITDA margin by 200 basis points. At our Investor Day, we announced our intent to expand EBITDA margin by 200 basis points in 2024 and by another 200 basis points in 2025. We expect to over-deliver on this margin expansion by delivering over 31% EBITDA margin for the full year 2024. Now turning to revenue in the quarter and full year 2023 results.

In 2023, we’re proud to have delivered year-over-year revenue growth of 21.3%, with full-year revenue of $368.2 million despite the challenging macro environment in the overall fintech industry. In Q4 2023, we delivered $99.0 million in revenue, which translates to 19.8% year-over-year revenue growth. In addition, our clients continue to remain with us with a world-class gross retention rate of 98%. This really reflects our best-in-class customer satisfaction. We have achieved this 98% gross retention for 19 out of the last 20 quarters. Our path to NRR 115% is based on our solid as bedrock gross revenue retention. Although the 98% is so routine for us that it’s not really newsworthy, these gross retention numbers are truly exceptional across any business.

Our net revenue retention rate continued to remain healthy at 107% as of December 31, 2023, which is higher than last year’s 106%. Heading into 2024, we continue to be focused on our path towards NRR of 115% or beyond through upsell of new products and modules to existing clients. The successful rollout of Clearwater LPx, MLx, Prism and the JUMP solutions in 2023 has been a good harbinger of our pathway to the NRR 115% level. And now that we have allocated more than 60% of our R&D capacity for growth, we look forward to reaping the rewards of additional upsell capabilities in the future. Also in 2023, we set the foundation for our go-to-market to more efficiently upsell our product offerings, and our clients are excited about Clearwater’s dynamic ability to meet their specific needs in an ever-changing investment world.

Annualized recurring revenue, or ARR, at the end of December 2023, was $379.1 million, representing a year-over-year increase of 17.2%, an increase of 80 basis points over 2022’s annual growth rate. As of December 31, 2023, the Clearwater platform processes and reports on $7.3 trillion in assets daily. This represents an increase of almost $1 trillion over the prior year. This reflects business growth both from new clients as well as existing clients. We grew the number of clients with over $1 million in ARR to 86, which represents an impressive 28% year-over-year growth, and proves that we are helping the most sophisticated clients with their most significant problems. Now let’s turn to profitability. We’re pleased to report that both our gross margin and EBITDA margin remain strong in Q4, following upon the strong profitability from the prior quarter.

In Q4, we achieved gross profit of $76.2 million, and which is 77% gross margin. This shows that we are on our way towards our long-term gross margin goal of 80%, and reflects the operational improvements we have made over the prior two years. In addition, we reported $30 million in adjusted EBITDA, which is 30.3% EBITDA margin in fourth quarter, and comfortably beat our Q4 EBITDA guidance, and improved over the prior year by 80 basis points and 360 basis points better than our Q1 2023 EBITDA margin. Just like in the prior quarter, our outperformance in revenue flowed straight through to EBITDA as we continue to enjoy tangible efficiency gains within the operations and R&D teams utilizing our machine learning and Gen AI technology. We are proud to have achieved 21% year-over-year growth rate and full-year 2023 revenue while increasing total headcount across all our departments by less than 2% during the year.

We have learned to deliver more efficiently with greater productivity throughout our company to support our clients. With respect to our R&D spend as a percentage of revenue, it increased in the full year 2023 to 26.4%. That’s up from our prior year’s 24.7%. We expect to continually increase the aggregate amount spent on R&D each year. However, the percent of revenue spent on R&D is expected to moderate down in the future since we’ve already completed our migration to the public cloud. In Q4, equity-based compensation was $23.7 million, a decrease of $7.6 million from Q3. This decrease was primarily attributable to the reversal of $6.9 million of expense related to JUMP performance shares. Although JUMP grew, it did not achieve the result necessary to vest in the performance awards related to 2023.

In Q4, we recorded an $8.3 million tax receivable agreement expense, bringing total expense for the year to $14.4 million. This compares to $11.6 million in 2022. As a reminder, this expense is paid in lieu of the income tax the company would have paid if the company did not receive the benefit of tax deductions from exchanges from its historical owners. In general, the tax receivable agreement expense is 85% of the income tax the company would have paid, but for such deductions, providing a 15% benefit to the company. Now let me turn to the balance sheet and cash flow. We ended the quarter with $317.7 million in cash, cash equivalents and investments. This represents a healthy 24.3% increase year over year. Total debt was $48 million, thereby resulting in net cash holdings of approximately $270 million.

Free cash flow was $22.5 million in Q4 and $79 million for the full year. Free cash flow for the full year 2023 represented a conversion rate of EBITDA to free cash flow of 75%, higher than our previously mentioned steady-state level of 70%, that accounts for seasonality in free cash flow between the quarters. Our accounts receivable balance remained $92 million, consistent from September to December. These strong collections and lower unbilled AR contributed to our strong Q4 free cash flow numbers. In addition, for the first time, we paid $8 million related to the tax receivable agreement expenses, so those working capital changes offset each other nicely. Now let’s turn to guidance. For the full year 2024, we expect revenue to be in the range of $431 million to $437 million, representing approximately 17% to 19% year-over-year growth.

This guidance assumes that our NRR remains in that same 106% to 108% range that we’ve experienced this year. In the first quarter 2024, we expect revenue to be $100.5 million, representing first-quarter revenue growth of 19%. For the full year 2024, we expect our adjusted EBITDA to be in the range of $135 million to $137 million. This reflects an approximately 250 basis point improvement from 2023. This 28% year-over-year increase in adjusted EBITDA is even greater than our announced improvement of 200 basis points per year that we just announced at our September investor day. This is all the more impressive when you consider that both Q3 and Q4 adjusted EBITDA margins significantly outperformed our guidance. We have this confidence in our margin improvement because of the significant efficiencies we are seeing throughout the business.

These include machine learning and artificial intelligence activities, but truly belie the power of the network effect. In the first quarter of 2024, we expect adjusted EBITDA to be $28.8 million or 28.7% EBITDA margin, which is approximately 200 basis points better than the first quarter of 2023. For 2024, total equity-based compensation is expected to be approximately $106 million, a slight decrease from the $108 million recorded in 2023, and as a percentage of revenue this would be a 5% reduction. Depreciation and amortization expense is expected to be approximately $11 million, and our full-year non-GAAP effective tax rate is expected to be 25%. After a strong year of delivering results in 2023, in 2024, we’re focused on driving consistent revenue while flexing our margin expansion muscle.

With that, I’ll turn it over to Sandeep to provide some closing thoughts.

Sandeep Sahai: Thanks, Jim. I am very excited about Clearwater’s journey through the last five years, and we look forward with renewed confidence and determination. We are building a track record of setting goals and exceeding them. Each goal we set, we meet. We set out to be durable, we are. We set out to demonstrate growth, we have. We set out to drive improved gross margin, EBITDA, and cash flow, and we have done just that. And as we look to 2024, we’re committed to continuing these successes. Thank you.

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Q&A Session

Operator: [Operator Instructions] The first question is from the line of Kevin McVeigh with UBS. Your line is now open.

Kevin McVeigh: Great. Thanks so much, and congratulations on really just exceptional execution, really across the board. Hey, Sandeep, the leverage — or Jim, in the R&D seems pretty special in terms of — it sounds like you’re allocating more based on the leverage. Is there any way to think about that in terms of how that translates to growth? I wanted to start there.

Sandeep Sahai: Hey, Kevin. Thank you for the question. So I think the best way to think about that might be that 50% of our R&D capacity last year was devoted to moving to the public cloud, and that has been now completed. So we now are devoting 60% of capacity, really, onto innovation and growth. Now, this is five programs. Two of those were already being run, but these three programs are new. But just like any other product innovation, we expect impact in 2024 in the second half, and really a more substantial impact in 2025. But we feel like we have to make these investments. The investment in Prism is doing really well, the investment in LPx and LPx Clarity, and MLx is doing well. So we feel we have to have this pipeline of products if we are going to drive towards a sustained NRR of 115%, and that’s the holy grail, Kevin. And so these investments are really for that purpose.

Kevin McVeigh: That’s helpful. And then I know it’s still relatively early, but have you seen any kind of behavioral changes in clients in terms of initiatives around Gen AI, where they’re looking for certain modules or leaning into certain things more than others because it’s still transformational that I wonder if there’s anything you’re seeing from a client perspective that you just kind of highlight, even though relatively early?

Sandeep Sahai: Yes, Kevin, look, I do completely, completely think that Generative AI and machine learning together is fully transformative and disruptive. There is no question about that. Are the clients excited about it? Yes. Every time we roll out a feature or a functionality, clients are really happy to try it, do beta testing, and provide input to our development teams. But when you think about what we are doing, Kevin, with Gen AI, essentially are three things we could do. One is, if you allow clients to ask the question themselves, our teams don’t even get the question. So this is what you refer to as client deflection. So the inquiries which come in or questions people have about the data, if they can answer a certain portion themselves, then obviously those don’t — questions don’t even come to us, and therefore you need less capacity to answer that.

The second one is just our ability to respond to questions. So when you take an experienced client services person, they can respond in a certain fashion, but Gen AI allows a much more junior person to also provide an answer of the similar level of expertise. And thirdly, because of Gen AI, you can provide a faster and more comprehensive answer. So something which would take three or four back and forth with a client, you can now answer more comprehensive — comprehensively because Gen AI sort of does that for you and says what the follow on question is likely to be. So I do feel there is a lot of excitement, and you might have read, we took our internal product, if you will, and launched it last week for clients to use. And so, look, the excitement is there.

Are clients asking us proactively? No, I think at this point, we are — I think we have a strong position in the clients’ minds about a company which is sort of leading it a little. So I don’t think this is a position where the clients are pushing us, I think they look to us to innovate.

Kevin McVeigh: That makes perfect sense. Thank you.

Operator: Thank you for your question. Next question is from the line of James Faucette with Morgan Stanley. Your line is now open.

Michael Fontaine: Hi, everyone. It’s Michael Fontaine for James. Thanks for taking our question. I just wanted to ask on the revenue outlook and particularly JUMP, I mean, given the fact that we’re now lump — lapping JUMP is the implication that JUMP was probably contributing a bit more to revenue than you initially had thought. And the reason I ask that question is because if I look at the release, and Jim, you reiterated this about JUMP revenue growth sort of not meeting the thresholds for RSU, that being so, just want to think about the pairing of those two dynamics, any color there would be helpful.

Jim Cox: Sure. Thanks, Michael. This is Jim. So first of all, look at the guidance for Q1. And I would say that’s a full apples-to-apples comparison. Right? And so I think that that’s an appropriate way to think about that as we think about it. As it relates to JUMP, JUMP did grow this year. We’re very happy with how it performed. But as part of the acquisition process, we mutually agreed to ambitious growth targets for that business to achieve that — those performance share earnouts. And so they did not achieve that. And so that’s the reflection in the equity. And I think that the picture for the growth rate just Q1 stands for itself. Sandeep, would you like to add anything?

Michael Fontaine: Got it. That’s helpful.

Sandeep Sahai: No, that’s good. Thank you.

Michael Fontaine: Great. And maybe just a quick follow-up on that, maybe just on some of the new product contribution. You obviously cited LTx, MLx, Prism, JUMP, et cetera. And the commentary about NRR sort of in that 106% to 108% range is helpful. Is it fair to assume that like as you think about the go-to-market motion, that in addition to sort of driving that NRR over time, that new product contribution is becoming a bit more impactful to the growth algorithm than it historically has been? Just any directional color there would be helpful. Thanks, guys.

Sandeep Sahai: Yes. Thank you, Michael. Now, this is Sandeep. No, look, I think that once we completed the movement to the public cloud, which was very late last year, that’s when we launched these additional innovation programs. We obviously have experience with LPx and Prism, and therefore we expect them to have some impact in H2 of this year, but really a more robust impact in 2025. So I think Jim said in his comments that our current guidance assumes the 106% to 108% NRR. So really from that you can — we can see that we expect marginal impact in 2024. But we also think that the growth from NRR 108% to 115% is almost entirely made up of new products and services we can take to market. So we have a lot of high expectations, also because these are not ideals we came up with many of these ideas were developed jointly with clients, so we feel pretty good about it, but we just don’t expect in the current forecast and guides to be majorly impactful in 2024.

Michael Fontaine: Appreciate that. Thank you both.

Operator: Thank you for your question. Next question is from the line of Alexei Gogolev with JPMorgan. Your line is now open.

Ella Smith: Hi. This is Ella Smith on for Alexei Gogolev. Thank you for taking our question. So, for the first question, I was hoping to ask about the OMS and the PMS applications that JUMP brought. Are those still mostly products for European customers, and how’s the traction bringing them to the United States?

Sandeep Sahai: Hey, Ella. Well — so this is Sandeep. So, look at — if you think about JUMP and just sort of step back and think about JUMP, we thought they would give us better presence in Europe, and they have. But the other one was, would they expand our offering to the asset management industry? And frankly, they have, but the OMS/PMS, like you pointed out, was a little bit more directed at North America. Then we had the clients, did not have an order management system and a portfolio management system, and JUMP was going to bring that in. So I think in the — in Q4, we announced two different wins where you had the OMS/PMS from JUMP and the Core Clearwater platform working together and sold together to solve an end-to-end need of a client. So I think it’s working exactly like we thought. Do we think — would we have wanted it to be faster? Yes. But is it working like we thought it would work in the OMS/PMS or insurance market? I think exactly so.

Ella Smith: Got it. That makes a lot of sense. Thank you. And for my second question, I want to ask around the net revenue retention rate. Obviously, there’s always some noise and fluctuations there, but it’s been going down for the past two quarters. I was wondering if there’s anything to call out there? Yes, thank you.

Jim Cox: Thanks, Ella. This is Jim. So I think there’s nothing to call out there. If you recall, it just rounded to — slightly to 109%, so 108%, 107%, in that area 1% here or there. Is there’s any matter of reasons for that to change? The Core kind of algorithm now is 98% gross retention, a couple percent from price increases, a couple of percent from asset additions, and profitability at our clients, and a few percent in the existing products that we’re selling today. Then you extend that algorithm to say, oh, how does that go from this level to the 115% that we see in the future? And that is all around the product initiatives that Sandeep was describing. We think there’s much more product to sell across our client base and we’re building it.

And JUMP is a great example of where we have bought items. As Sandeep says, it takes time. We’re very impatient and we would always like it to go faster. But I think we see the opportunity to really broaden our footprint within our existing clients in the insurance space as well as in the asset management space. But that’s kind of the journey for 2014 and 2015 as these products come online.

Sandeep Sahai: 2024, Jim, and 2025. [Multiple Speakers]

Ella Smith: Great. Thank you so much.

Jim Cox: ’24, 2025. Sorry. What did — sorry.

Sandeep Sahai: Okay.

Jim Cox: Thank you.

Ella Smith: Great. Thank you so much.

Sandeep Sahai: Thank you, Ella.

Operator: Thank you for your question. Next question is from the line of Peter Heckman with DA Davidson. Your line is now open.

Peter Heckman: Good afternoon. Thanks for taking the question. I didn’t hear as much, now sometimes I miss a lot of data there, but I didn’t hear as much out of the Asia Pac regional market in the fourth quarter. Can you give us an update there and how you’re kind of thinking about that in terms of a contribution to total revenue in 2024?

Sandeep Sahai: Hey, Pete. This is Sandeep. So look, I don’t think we were clear, and we should have been, that Shane Akeroyd obviously joined us early this year, and he’s based in Hong Kong. And he’s obviously been in Hong Kong for several years, understands the market really well. And so we are looking, as we had said, I think, in Q3 and Q4, to make a real push in that industry, in that market. And that is really driven by a success we have had with large insurers in that market. And so have we got a lot more deals there? No. Do we have a really high-quality pipeline there? Yes, we do. So I just think it is obviously a really small market for us right now, but we do expect that to sort of grow meaningfully this year itself. So that’s the best I think in — from the APAC side. I think we are building a team with a senior executive at the [ELT] (ph) level sitting in Hong Kong. Jim, would you add anything to that?

Jim Cox: Hey. And — so thanks, Pete. Yes, I think obviously the commitment is there. We didn’t mention anything specifically this quarter, but kind of when you look overall 2023 versus 2022, the US and North America grew faster in 2023 than it did in 2022. The EMEA market grew faster as well, but — and also faster than North America. And Asia grew fastest, albeit off of a very small base. And so kind of for 2023, international revenue is going to be 18% of total revenue. But nice acceleration across all regions.

Peter Heckman: That’s really helpful. And then if you could just maybe, not necessarily prediction, but how are you feeling about landing some of the additional kind of top 25 global insurance carriers in 2024? I know you’ve been working on some of those pretty hard.

Sandeep Sahai: Yes, Pete, we feel really good. I’m not sure I can say more than that except to say we feel really good, again. I think, clients who would not have talked to us three years back, continue to engage with us very constructively. We continue to make solid progress. So we feel really good about our ability to go out and land large logos.

Peter Heckman: Okay. So we should just stay tuned?

Sandeep Sahai: Yes.

Peter Heckman: All right. I appreciate it. Thank you.

Sandeep Sahai: Thank you.

Operator: Thank you for your question. Next question is from the line of Rishi Jaluria with RBC. Your line is now open.

Rishi Jaluria: Oh, wonderful. Hey, Sandeep; hey, Jim. Thanks so much for taking my question. I wanted to start maybe first, you’re having good signs of success with JUMP. Obviously, more work to get done there. Maybe, how would you — how should we be thinking about your view of M&A helping you add more product functionality to kind of get that four points of uplift from spending that you’ve talked about historically. Then I’ve got a quick follow-up.

Sandeep Sahai: Yes, Rishi, look, we are really serious about what we said at Investor Day. We think we have to be disciplined. It’s got to work. M&A has to work more programmatically and it has to be something we can take back to our current customers. So when you put it in that construct, we thought we could do something off and on. But what we did was we went and hired and brought in Shane Akeroyd to the team. Shane has worked a long time at market, which then became IHS market and then became S&P. And the growth in those two companies, if you will recall, was half organic and half inorganic. So they really honed the ability to do that. They know how to do that. And Shane brings just a wealth of experience, not necessarily in investment accounting, but in the other 3 bps.

So he joined us. He’s already really hard at work. And what we hope to do is more programmatically look at this and where we buy assets which we can take to our current client base. So we expect to be much more aggressive, if you will, in this year and the next few years, as we try and attack that 3 bps organically also. So, like we talked about, these five programs, some of them as — are organic, but we also appreciate that we’re not going to be able to build everything ourselves. So, look, there’s something we’re excited about. We think you will hear more through 2024 and also 2025 and from that time on.

Rishi Jaluria: Got it. That’s really helpful. Maybe a follow-up to that philosophically. So, what has helped you historically against a lot of your legacy competitors has been people appreciate it’s a single platform, a single pane of glass works, together well, whereas a lot of your competitors have kind of a [Frankenstack] (ph), where it’s a bunch of different assets that aren’t integrated. How do you avoid falling into this trap that a lot of your competitors have that has turned them into share donors and allowed you to be a share donor?

Sandeep Sahai: Yes, no, I completely — look, we are very, very thoughtful about that. But when you think about the technology stack, it revolves around the security master and the data flow. So if you create multiple security masters for all kinds of reasons, and you have two sets of data and three sets of data and four sets of data, then you go into this Frankensteina architecture you speak to. Right? And — but if you did something where data goes out of the Clearwater platform, there are some business functions that get done, and it comes back to the Clearwater platform, then of course, you haven’t muddied the data, the security master, and the architecture. So, yes, we have to be very thoughtful about it, because once you go down that path, you sort of — then you do muddy.

So, yes, so philosophically I’m completely in agreement with you that we would have to be very thoughtful about the architecture, and makes a big difference because we are single instance multitenant, we are cloud-native, all that matters. And so we expect us to be very careful with that.

Rishi Jaluria: Got it. Really helpful. Thank you so much.

Sandeep Sahai: Thank you, Rishi.

Operator: Thank you for your question. Next question is from the line of Michael Turrin with Wells Fargo. Your line is now open.

David Unger: Hey, thanks. It’s David Unger. I’m on for Michael Turrin tonight. Appreciate you taking the questions. This $1 million-plus customer stat, which is great, 28% growth year-on-year. I’m curious just — like how much of it was that — new wins versus AUM growth versus cross-sell? I would love a little bit of color there. Thanks.

Jim Cox: Thanks, David. This is Jim. So it was a nice combination of all of those and as well as one other factor, right, which is as we’re onboarding clients, and they — we might have a situation where we’re charging them some rate during the onboarding, and then they step up to being million dollar customers once they’re fully live and on the platform. So it would be — it would be across all of those three vectors.

David Unger: Okay. I appreciate that, Jim. And then any changes you’re seeing in terms of pipeline conversion this quarter versus historical trends. Thanks.

Sandeep Sahai: Yes, this is Sandeep. So, look here, there — your Q4 was good, albeit it was more heavily in December. So our booking was much heavier in December, which is not always the case. More often than not, you see it spread out across Q4, but it was very heavy in December. Our booking for the year was the highest it’s ever been in our history. So the booking continues to grow nicely. Our pipeline, we saw pretty significant growth throughout the year. We ended the year with a significant growth in our pipeline. The sharpest increase though was in asset management. And we saw that in, frankly, maybe a little bit aided by JUMP, because we can now provide the more comprehensive solution and we can provide the earlier solutions in asset management.

Insurance, while answering another question, also spoke about the very large clients or prospects, pardon me, who are now in the pipeline, who, frankly, had never been in the pipeline before. So we feel like the pipeline grew robustly. We feel the booking was, like I said, the highest it’s been in the company’s history. And then the only other issue was new logos versus nonnew logos, if you will. And if you go back, it was roughly half and half new logos versus non. And in 2023 versus 2022, the new logo contribution was just a little bit higher than it was in 2022. So no real material change in the distribution of the booking or the pipe but just slightly higher on new logos.

David Unger: Appreciate all that detail, Sandeep. Thank you.

Operator: Thank you for your question. Next question is from the line of Gabriela Borges with Goldman Sachs. Your line is now open.

Gabriela Borges: Hi. Good afternoon. Thank you. Sandeep and Jim, I know how convicted you are that Clearwater is a 20%-plus and maybe even 25%-plus normalized growth company. Help us understand the starting point for revenue guidance this year. I know you said guidance that you want to outperform one, but how — help us think about the overhang to revenue growth this year that’s leading you to set an initial starting point that is below the 20%-plus that I know you aspire to.

Sandeep Sahai: Jim, you’re going to take that or –?

Jim Cox: Sure, sure. Yes, yes, Gabriela, yes. Happy to take that. So, Gabriela, it’s a bit of the same story as last year, right? We guided and drove forward off of that guidance. As I recall, last year Q1 was lower than the full-year guide and the feedback was, how are you going to ramp in the second half of the year? And we said, hey, we have these things coming on board and feel a lot of confidence about that. And that worked out pretty well. As we — as Sandeep just mentioned, we were — in Q4, the bookings were heavily in December versus throughout the whole quarter. And these are also large programs as well. And so when you start to look at those having just closed and looking at kind of the periods for when that client will go live and getting those implementations up and running, you just have to be thoughtful about the variety of outcomes that could occur as it relates to that.

So I think we’re confidently — we try and guide confidently, and so we thought about it in that sense. And in addition — but I think we also have to be prudent and deliver throughout the period.

Sandeep Sahai: Yes, the one data point I might add is —