Andrew Littlefair: Yes, I, Pavel I actually think that we’ve learned a lot over these last few weeks since they came out with their new proposal on the RVO and for the Renewable Fuel Standard and the eRIN. I think they’ve over. I think they’ve overshot. And the EPA has and when you look at the four so largest organizations that the EPA listens to, the renewable fuel Association, the AFPM and API and the NG €“ RNGC, just to name a few. All of them, Growth, Energy, all of them are unanimous in that the proposed eRIN framework won’t work. And then, specifically as we look at it Pavel, the way they kind of engineered the equivalency of how they would have credits, what kind of level of credit you would get, depending on where you put your fuel and where, frankly, VP, one fuel?
I don’t, I don’t think that’s probably going to end up being the way it’s going to gain enacted. The idea that they kind of jury rigged the math, to create RINs out of thin air, frankly, to incent RNG to go to make electricity for light duty electric vehicles versus putting RNG into a hard to decarbonize heavy duty truck. I don’t think that I don’t — I don’t think that that’s going to end up being the case. And I think was almost just too much, it’s just going to fall Pavel under its own weight. It’s too obvious. And the move in the origination from the producer at the — that the other day Pavel, I was with the chairman of the Agriculture Committee and a member of Congress who have his own dairy farm and happens to have RNG digester out his dairy farm in Central Valley, California, we’re standing on the bladder, on top of the on top of it, and of the lagoon there and, filled up with methane that this guy’s capturing.
We by the way get all that gas and it goes into heavy duty trucks. And I said to the chairman of the Agriculture Committee, I said well, now there’s one for you and I pointed to the Congressman whose dairy farm it was and I say, can you imagine that the EPA has proposed that the generators no longer Congressman valid Dale, and it’s no longer they’re not the generator here at the dairy farm. They’re going to pass that on to the to Ford or to someone making electric vehicles in Detroit, or Elon Musk. And he said well you got to be kidding me. I was asking how can that possibly be. So that’s just another example of, of what was going on in this deal. And I just don’t think that’s going to all is going to end up being enacted that way at all.
Pavel Molchanov: Appreciate the color on that.
Andrew Littlefair: I think what’s going to happen Pavel is you’ll see, perhaps they’re under obligation to enact the RVO by June. Now, whether or not they do that, I don’t know. I’m not sure they’re going to get this all cleaned up and figured out. The eRIN to be able to make that day. And so, wouldn’t surprise me that the eRIN maybe gets delayed some and re-styled some and that they go with some other kind of RVO in June. So we’ll have to see.
Pavel Molchanov: Just a quick question at the end. Smaller programs, but do you get anything from Oregon or Washington State LCFS?
Andrew Littlefair: We do. But a little bit. We have several customers. I’m looking at one of my guys, Oregon, Oregon, for sure. Not quite yet, but we will there but Oregon program. better prices are working are nice, but we don’t we don’t do a lot of people up there yet about I think we have four or five customers right now.
Pavel Molchanov: Okay. Thank you guys.
Andrew Littlefair: Okay.
